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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">My intent is to allow major website users of certificates with complex infrastructures to tell us about their experiences with and comments on rule changes, and
how they are implemented. Right now, I’m not sure whether or not the enterprises will be available during our meeting, but if not we can schedule during a late teleconference call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">You can certainly approach this from another angle as well, and bring in users in general who have interesting and useful things to say to the Forum. I think
we still have some time slots available if you want to organize that as a separate session. Let me know if you want to do that, and how much time you would like.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Ryan Sleevi [mailto:sleevi@google.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 14, 2017 3:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <public@cabforum.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kirk Hall <Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] [EXTERNAL]Re: CA/Browser Face to Face Meeting 41 Agenda – Berlin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Could you clarify your intent? You mentioned "any other enterprise users" - but I believe the goal is certificate users in general (i.e. more broadly than just enterprise).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is that correct?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Kirk Hall via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I will present names and companies once their participation is confirmed. Yes, at the Chair’s invitation,
but I will additionally “invite” any other enterprise users others may propose to tell their stories.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I’d point out that over the years we have heard from many people and organizations at our meetings.
It’s been very useful.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Public [mailto:<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Bowen via Public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 13, 2017 2:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Peter Bowen <<a href="mailto:pzb@amzn.com" target="_blank">pzb@amzn.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] [EXTERNAL]Re: CA/Browser Face to Face Meeting 41 Agenda – Berlin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Jun 13, 2017, at 2:28 PM, Ryan Sleevi via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Kirk Hall via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On your first question - some major enterprise users would like to present their ideas and concerns about SSL certificate rules, changes, etc. from their perspective, which I know
the browsers have wanted (rather than hearing it reported by the CAs who provide the certs to enterprise customers). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">To be clear: Several browsers have wanted open participation. I would suggest that having CA-selected participants, without explanation (as Gerv had to seek) is perhaps detrimental
to the productive dialog, in as much as it allows the Chair - and CA members - to favour particular viewpoints to the detriment of the overall ecosystem.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Might I suggest that it might not be appropriate? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I think we should welcome hearing from certificate users directly.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Kirk: Can you provide a list of certificate users who will be presenting, including their affiliation? I’m assuming they are attending the F2F at the invitation of the Chair.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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