<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 5, 2017, at 2:09 PM, Ryan Sleevi via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" class="">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Kirk Hall <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com" target="_blank" class="">Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">In (partial) response to Virginia's concern -- this is an "old style" working group of the whole Forum (to work on an issue), and not a "new style" working group under the Governance WG's definition. (I think we will call these subcommittees or similar in the future).<br class=""></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But it's not one consistent with the bylaws, Kirk. That's an extremely important point, and I'm happy to explain further why it's troubling.</div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I'd say let's just go forward with Gerv's draft so we can get going -- I doubt there will be any real controversy once the new WG starts its work. We have actually discussed this a few times.</blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The controversy is, regrettably common these days, over the application of the Bylaws, which are of course key for ensuring the protections of our IP policy and our overall level of progress, even if they are inconvenient. </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;">Is there a concern if the meeting is a “<span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#333333" face="Droid Sans, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif" size="2" class="">subgroup” or “committee” of the full Forum and clearly states that such a meeting may not </font></span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Droid Sans', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">approve minutes as Final, process applications to be Members, or deal with items sent to the Questions mailing list? </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Droid Sans', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">This appears to be what is contemplated in the bylaws, which refer to subgroups and committees in 5.1(a) and 5.2 (a) and (b) and 2.2(g).</span></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Droid Sans', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#333333" face="Droid Sans, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif" size="2" class="">I agree that it would be concerning if minutes were not kept, other parts of the IPR policy were not followed, or if the subgroup or committee was not subject to the IPR policy.</font></span></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#333333" face="Droid Sans, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><br class=""></font></span></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#333333" face="Droid Sans, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif" size="2" class="">Thanks,</font></span></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#333333" face="Droid Sans, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif" size="2" class="">Peter</font></span></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#333333" face="Droid Sans, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><br class=""></font></span></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#333333" face="Droid Sans, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><br class=""></font></span></div></body></html>