<div dir="ltr">Gerv,<div><br></div><div>That seems a sort of broadly worded expiration, and one that would be hard to measure.</div><div><br></div><div>For example, if a single ratification fails, is the WG expired? If the WG never tries to ratify a proposal, does the WG expire? If the WG makes a single proposal - while others are still being worked on - does the WG expire?</div><div><br></div><div>Looking at the bylaws, Section 5.3 makes it clear that there's a "Working Group expiration _date_" (emphasis added). From the past discussions regarding the scope and nature of WGs - including the F2F discussion in Raleigh - and borrowing from other SDOs, perhaps it would be more fruitful and worthwhile to set an explicit date, one year out.</div><div><br></div><div>If the WG is able to come to a proposal before then, fantastic. We could always shutter the WG (by virtue of no meetings) if that happens.</div><div>If the WG is unable to come to a proposal with a year of deliberation, then that's unfortunate, but not the end of the world. The Forum can take stock of the participation and progress, and hold another ballot to either extend the WG or use it as a forcing function for a proposal.</div><div><br></div><div>Are there any limitations to the WG? For example, will the WG only consider updates to the Network Security Controls? Is it considering updates to all documents? Is it trying to provide the documents themselves, or is it simply trying to make proposals for them?</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 2:47 AM, Gervase Markham via Public <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="m_-4984914632986197040line867"><strong>Ballot 203: Formation of Network Security
Working Group</strong></p>
<p class="m_-4984914632986197040line874">Purpose of Ballot: To form a Network Security
Working Group to re-evaluate the CAB Forum's Network Security
Guidelines. <span class="m_-4984914632986197040anchor" id="m_-4984914632986197040line-4"></span><span class="m_-4984914632986197040anchor" id="m_-4984914632986197040line-5"></span></p>
<p class="m_-4984914632986197040line874">The following motion has been proposed by Gervase
Markham of Mozilla and endorsed by Jeremy Rowley of DigiCert and
Moudrick Dadashov of SSC:<br>
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<p class="m_-4984914632986197040line867"><strong>-- MOTION BEGINS --</strong> <span class="m_-4984914632986197040anchor" id="m_-4984914632986197040line-8"></span><span class="m_-4984914632986197040anchor" id="m_-4984914632986197040line-9"></span></p>
<p class="m_-4984914632986197040line874">In accordance with Section 5.3 of the CA/B Forum
Bylaws, the chartering of a new Working Group requires a ballot.
This ballot charters the Network Security Working Group.<br>
<br>
The CAB Forum's Network Security Guidelines were adopted in August
2012 but have not been updated since. Significant doubts have been
raised as to their fitness for purpose in 2017. Therefore, the
Working Group’s charter will be as follows:<br>
<br>
<b>Scope</b><br>
<br>
1. Consider options for revising, replacing or scrapping the
Network Security Guidelines.<br>
<br>
<b>Deliverables</b><br>
<br>
1. An extensive report with one or more proposals for the future
of the Network Security Guidelines.<br>
<br>
2. For proposals involving replacement with an existing framework
or standard, details of the availability and applicability of the
proposed alternative, and what modifications if any would be
needed to it in order to make it suitable for use.<br>
<br>
3. For proposals involving revision, details of the revisions that
are deemed necessary and how the document will be kept current in
the future.<br>
<br>
4. For proposals involving scrapping, an explanation of why this
is preferable to either of the other two options.<br>
<br>
5. If there are multiple proposals, optionally a recommendation as
to which one to pursue and an associated timeline.<br>
<br>
6. A form of ballot or ballots to implement any recommendations.<br>
<br>
<b>Expiry</b><br>
<br>
The Working Group shall expire once the deliverables have been
completed, or if the group agrees that it cannot achieve the
2/3rds endorsement required by the bylaws for any proposal.</p>
<p class="m_-4984914632986197040line867"><strong>-- MOTION ENDS --</strong> <span class="m_-4984914632986197040anchor" id="m_-4984914632986197040line-12"></span><span class="m_-4984914632986197040anchor" id="m_-4984914632986197040line-13"></span></p>
<p class="m_-4984914632986197040line874">The procedure for approval of this ballot is as
follows: <span class="m_-4984914632986197040anchor" id="m_-4984914632986197040line-14"></span></p>
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<p class="m_-4984914632986197040line862">Votes must be cast by posting an on-list reply to
this thread on the Public list. A vote in favor of the motion must
indicate a clear 'yes' in the response. A vote against must
indicate a clear 'no' in the response. A vote to abstain must
indicate a clear 'abstain' in the response. Unclear responses will
not be counted. The latest vote received from any representative
of a voting member before the close of the voting period will be
counted. Voting members are listed here: <tt class="m_-4984914632986197040backtick"><a class="m_-4984914632986197040moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://cabforum.org/members/" target="_blank">https://cabforum.org/members/</a></tt>
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In order for the motion to be adopted, two thirds or more of the
votes cast by members in the CA category and greater than 50% of the
votes cast by members in the browser category must be in favor.
Quorum is shown on CA/Browser Forum wiki. Under Bylaw 2.2(g), at
least the required quorum number must participate in the ballot for
the ballot to be valid, either by voting in favor, voting against,
or abstaining.
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