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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Why wouldn’t the wiki version constitute a redlined version?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Public [mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ryan Sleevi via Public<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 19, 2017 6:53 AM<br><b>To:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <public@cabforum.org><br><b>Cc:</b> Ryan Sleevi <sleevi@google.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 191 - Clarify Place of Business Information<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Bruce for providing this.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It's unclear to me, in light of the discussions around 198 - .onion domains - whether this constitutes a proper ballot, since a redline version was not provided.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That is, whether the --( )-- (deletion) __ __ (addition) constitute redlines or not. Assuming we accept it as such (expedience, courtesy, and no one has raised objections to this ballot yet), then I can confirm that Bruce's "redline" version is for the most part consistent with the EVG 1.6.2 and 1.6.3<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I say "for the most part" because there's on the city and town line there's the text "EV Guidelines, v. 1.6.3 12", which is the result of a copy/paste issue from the source PDF (it's the footer of the PDF), and not part of the actual text :)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Since we have the redline version (from the original ballot, I think we can safely conclude the 'wiki markup' is "sufficient" redline, versus say PDF or word), and a visual version (Bruce's) to make sure it's correct, and it's based on the current EVGs (1.6.2 as last published, 1.6.3 is pending IP review)...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Google votes YES<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Bruce Morton via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Here is a markup of BR section 9.2.7 for ballot 191.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks, Bruce.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> Public [mailto:<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ben Wilson via Public<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Ben Wilson <<a href="mailto:ben.wilson@digicert.com" target="_blank">ben.wilson@digicert.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL]Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 191 - Clarify Place of Business Information<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a name="m_-5115709704853812721__MailEndCompose">Just a clarification for everyone, the text below was copied out of the wiki with wiki markup language, so the following text is being deleted </a><span style='mso-bookmark:m_-5115709704853812721__MailEndCompose'></span><span class=m-5115709704853812721apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>--(City, State, and country – Required; Street and postal code - Optional)—(the open and close parentheses with dashes indicates a deletion).</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> Public [<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeremy Rowley via Public<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:51 AM<br><b>To:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Jeremy Rowley <<a href="mailto:jeremy.rowley@digicert.com" target="_blank">jeremy.rowley@digicert.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 191 - Clarify Place of Business Information<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Updated:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line874 style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Ballot 191 - Clarify Place of Business Information Field Inclusion</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line874 style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>The current EV Guidelines are not clear on what address information is required in a certificate. This ballot clarifies the requirements and harmonizes the EV Guidelines and Baseline Requirements.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line874 style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black;background:white'>The following motion has been proposed by Bruce Morton of Entrust and endorsed by Jeremy Rowley of DigiCert and Robin Alden of Comodo:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line874 style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>--Motion Begins--</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line874 style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>A. Modify Section 9.2.7</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> of the EV Guidelines<span style='color:black'> as follows:</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line867 style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>9.2.7. Subject Physical Address of Place of Business Field</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line874 style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Certificate fields:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line874 style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Number and street: subject:streetAddress (OID: 2.5.4.9)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line874 style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>City or town: subject:localityName (OID: 2.5.4.7)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line874 style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>State or province (where applicable): subject:stateOrProvinceName (OID: 2.5.4.8)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line874 style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Country: subject:countryName (OID: 2.5.4.6)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line874 style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Postal code: subject:postalCode (OID: 2.5.4.17)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line862 style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Required/Optional:<span class=m-5115709704853812721apple-converted-space> --(City, State, and country – Required; Street and postal code - Optional)--__</span><span class=m-5115709704853812721u><u>As stated in Section 7.1.4.2.2 d, e, f, g and h of the Baseline Requirements__</u></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line874 style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Contents: This field MUST contain the address of the physical location of the Subject’s Place of Business.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line874 style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>--Motion Ends--</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line874 style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>The procedure for approval of this Final Maintenance Guideline ballot is as follows (exact start and end times may be adjusted to comply with applicable Bylaws and IPR Agreement):</span><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='margin-left:6.0pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td width=306 valign=top style='width:229.5pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=m-5115709704853812721line862 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>BALLOT 191 Status: Final Maintenance Guideline</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=110 valign=top style='width:82.5pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=m-5115709704853812721line862 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Start time (22:00 UTC)</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=106 valign=top style='width:79.5pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=m-5115709704853812721line862 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>End time (22:00 UTC)</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width=306 valign=top style='width:229.5pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=m-5115709704853812721line862 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Discussion (7 to 14 days)</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=110 valign=top style='width:82.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=m-5115709704853812721line862 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>9 May 2017</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=106 valign=top style='width:79.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=m-5115709704853812721line862 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>16 May 2017</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width=306 valign=top style='width:229.5pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=m-5115709704853812721line862 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Vote for approval (7 days)</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=110 valign=top style='width:82.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=m-5115709704853812721line862 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>16 May 2017</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=106 valign=top style='width:79.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=m-5115709704853812721line862 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>23 May 2017</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width=306 valign=top style='width:229.5pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=m-5115709704853812721line862 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>If vote approves ballot: Review Period (Chair to send Review Notice) (30 days). If Exclusion Notice(s) filed, ballot approval is rescinded and PAG to be created. If no Exclusion Notices filed, ballot becomes effective at end of Review Period.</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=110 valign=top style='width:82.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=m-5115709704853812721line862 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Upon filing of Review Notice by Chair</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=106 valign=top style='width:79.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=m-5115709704853812721line862 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>30 days after filing of Review Notice by Chair</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=m-5115709704853812721line874 style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>From Bylaw 2.3: If the Draft Guideline Ballot is proposing a Final Maintenance Guideline, such ballot will include a redline or comparison showing the set of changes from the Final Guideline section(s) intended to become a Final Maintenance Guideline, and need not include a copy of the full set of guidelines. Such redline or comparison shall be made against the Final Guideline section(s) as they exist at the time a ballot is proposed, and need not take into consideration other ballots that may be proposed subsequently, except as provided in Bylaw Section 2.3(j).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line862 style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Votes must be cast by posting an on-list reply to this thread on the Public list. A vote in favor of the motion must indicate a clear 'yes' in the response. A vote against must indicate a clear 'no' in the response. A vote to abstain must indicate a clear 'abstain' in the response. Unclear responses will not be counted. The latest vote received from any representative of a voting member before the close of the voting period will be counted. Voting members are listed here:<span class=m-5115709704853812721apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://cabforum.org/members/" target="_blank"><span style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>https://cabforum.org/members/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5115709704853812721line874 style='background:white;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>In order for the motion to be adopted, two thirds or more of the votes cast by members in the CA category and greater than 50% of the votes cast by members in the browser category must be in favor. Quorum is shown on CA/Browser Forum wiki. Under Bylaw 2.2(g), at least the required quorum number must participate in the ballot for the ballot to be valid, either by voting in favor, voting against, or abstaining.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Public mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Public@cabforum.org">Public@cabforum.org</a><br><a href="https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public" target="_blank">https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>