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<br class=""><div style=""><div class="">On May 1, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Jeremy Rowley <<a href="mailto:jeremy.rowley@digicert.com" class="">jeremy.rowley@digicert.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We’ve already seen spats about “demeaning” and “inappropriate” so I think the Forum does need to address the scope of that particular issue.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><a name="_MailEndCompose" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></a></div><span class=""></span><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:vfournier@apple.com" class="">vfournier@apple.com</a> [<a href="mailto:vfournier@apple.com" class="">mailto:vfournier@apple.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, May 1, 2017 7:17 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jeremy Rowley <<a href="mailto:jeremy.rowley@digicert.com" class="">jeremy.rowley@digicert.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" class="">public@cabforum.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cabfpub] Informal discussion of Code of Conduct Ballot<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Hi Jeremy,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I think the words used are pretty clear, and they are used in other SDO Codes of Conduct without any confusion, problem or issue. If you’d like to propose<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><u class="">specific words</u></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>that you’d suggest we use instead, we’d be happy to consider them and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><u class="">determine if they are any more clear</u></b>.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">We should keep in mind that these are common sense, plain English terms. It is troubling that people are picking at words like “demeaning” and “inappropriate.” Do Forum members need to reserve the right to engage in certain types of demeaning and inappropriate conduct? <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">It’s not about stifling conversation. It’s about treating fellow Forum members with professionalism and respect. I don’t understand why there is resistance to that.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Best regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Virginia Fournier<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Senior Standards Counsel<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Myriad Set Pro', serif; color: rgb(94, 94, 94);" class=""></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> Apple Inc.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Segoe UI Symbol', sans-serif;" class="">☏</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>669-227-9595<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Segoe UI Symbol', sans-serif;" class="">✉︎</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""> <a href="mailto:vmf@apple.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">vmf@apple.com</a></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(71, 135, 255);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On May 1, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Jeremy Rowley <<a href="mailto:jeremy.rowley@digicert.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jeremy.rowley@digicert.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Suggestions:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">(b) Refrain from conduct __within the Forum__ such as: </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-top: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Directly insulting or demeaning another person<o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">[JR] This seems vague. Some people take things as demeaning when they are not meant to be demeaning. I think this could be used to stifle conversation. We’ve had accusations that conduct has been insulting/demeaning on the forum. Would you say it’s risen to that level? I support the principle, but would like clarity so we don’t get end up mixing persons with ideas eventually.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-top: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Touching another person in a physically inappropriate way. <o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Deliberately intimidating, stalking or following (online or in person) another person.<o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">[JR] Following online? Like on twitter?<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-top: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Inappropriately disrupting official Forum events, including meetings, talks, and presentations.<o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">[JR] Inappropriately is too vague. Are we trying to change a specific behavior at the CAB Forum? Could we clarify what this means?<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-top: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Spamming, trolling, flaming, baiting, and other attention-stealing behavior.<o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">[JR] Baiting/flaming are too similar to criticism of the idea. Can we add clarity?</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></body></html>