<div dir="ltr">Apologies that I was not clearer.<div><br></div><div>Yes, I am specifically proposing a Ballot. I'm proposing that such a Ballot needs to at least answer the four questions I raised. I was not trying to raise them for you to answer, I was trying to raise them as important issues for the Forum to resolve if you feel that it is not clear and unambiguous that Microsoft's vote did not count.</div><div><br></div><div>I realize you wanted to resolve it informally with the Doodle poll. The concern raised by several people was to use our Ballot process to resolve this ambiguity. We have used this Ballot process before to resolve ambiguity, and to resolve questions of the operating mode of the Forum.</div><div><br></div><div>Leaving the IP Review Period in an "undetermined" status is highly undesirable, because it suggests future Ballots may also result in an 'undetermined' status, and the IP encumbrances of members left uncertain.</div><div><br></div><div>My question to both you and other members are whether this Ballot - to resolve the status of 194 - should address any other questions than the 4 I raised.<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Kirk Hall <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com" target="_blank">Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">You ask a lot of questions, and I don’t have answers right now for most of them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The only way to determine if Ballot 194 passed or failed is to figure out whether Microsoft’s vote did or did not count as valid under our Bylaws. Some say it
did count, some say no, and we don’t have any method in our Bylaws do determine conflicts like that.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I suppose someone could file a new Ballot to vote on “Did Microsoft’s vote on Ballot 194 comply with the Bylaws?” and we could get a final vote on that, which
would settle the matter about Ballot 194. (I tried to do that informally with the Doodle poll, but some people objected to that process.)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">So I think we will have to settle for “Undetermined” or similar, and move on.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Ryan Sleevi [mailto:<a href="mailto:sleevi@google.com" target="_blank">sleevi@google.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 24, 2017 2:07 PM<span class=""><br>
<b>To:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
</span><b>Cc:</b> Jos Purvis (jopurvis) <<a href="mailto:jopurvis@cisco.com" target="_blank">jopurvis@cisco.com</a>>; Kirk Hall <<a href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com" target="_blank">Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com</a><wbr>><span class=""><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL]Re: [cabfpub] Draft Agenda for CABF teleconference April 27<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I thought it was concluded that Ballot 194 had failed, but if there's still ambiguity, we should resolve that post-haste.<u></u><u></u></p><div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal">There's some important questions that arise from your answer:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1) What happens to the IP obligations of members for such "undetermined" ballots?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3) What happens if Ballot 197 fails?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">4) What constitutes the legitimate start of a Review Period? That is, does the mere act of the Chair sending such formally constitute such notice? Is this true even in question of the Bylaws?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would hope such a Ballot would provide complete guidance on such matters, by addressing Ballot 194's status, the "Review Notice", the clarifications on voting (e.g. sent, submitted, posted, delivered, via shall all be measured by this
means). As this would not affect any of the documents, we could complete such a vote within 14 days.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm curious whether there are any other concerns that such a Ballot should try to address so that there is no ambiguity whatsoever with respect to Ballot 194's status, and which might serve as a model for the future in the determination
of such ambiguity. This is similar to the readoption of our documents in Ballots 180 - 182, to attempt to resolve such ambiguities.<u></u><u></u></p>
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