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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Eric, look again at the rule:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:ArialMT">*** All voting will take place via the Public Mail List. Votes not submitted to the Public Mail List will not be considered valid, and will not be counted for
any purpose.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In this case, Microsoft’s vote did take place “via the Public Mail List”. It’s vote was submitted “to the Public Mail List”. To be hyper technical, the Bylaw
does not say the vote must APPEAR on the list during the voting period (just that the vote must occur), and any number of things can prevent a message to the Public list from being forwarded – I have had my messages trapped or even disappear before.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I think it’s unfortunate that we are parsing the Bylaws so closely as this – this has always been an informal organization, and getting hung up on interpretations
is a waste of time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In any case this seems pretty silly, as a repeat vote, with the same retroactive clause, would end up with the same result.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Eric Mill [mailto:eric@konklone.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 16, 2017 6:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <public@cabforum.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kirk Hall <Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL]Re: [cabfpub] ]RE: Ballot 194 - Effective Date of Ballot 193 Provisions is in the VOTING period (ends April 16)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't think Microsoft cast its vote correctly. Microsoft is aware of how the CA/Browser Forum list works, and should have been able to cast a vote from a subscribed member address before the deadline. I think this obligation is especially
apparent when their vote is likely to be a tiebreaker.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Peter's right that there's some greyness to the Bylaws, but I think a plain reading of the text, and its clear intent to have votes be cast where it is publicly attributable to the voter, supports this vote not being validly cast. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm sure it was a good faith error, but it would not be a good precedent for votes to be counted which were only distributed to and reforwarded by the Chair (or any other member). Unfortunately, since 1 browser vote is the difference between
success and failure, this probably points to needing a revote.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-- Eric<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 9:07 PM, Kirk Hall via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Ryan, it’s kind of unseemly for one browser to try to block the vote of another browser. Google were
the only Forum member to vote no on this ballot – 20 CAs and 2 browsers voted yes. Clearly the consensus of the members is in favor of this ballot, and technically Microsoft cast its vote correctly, even if it was not forwarded by our server. I would suggest
you reconsider following this line.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Public [mailto:<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ryan Sleevi via Public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 16, 2017 6:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ryan Sleevi <<a href="mailto:sleevi@google.com" target="_blank">sleevi@google.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL]Re: [cabfpub] ]RE: Ballot 194 - Effective Date of Ballot 193 Provisions is in the VOTING period (ends April 16)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">To that end, this was a concern raised nearly a year ago when discussing what would become Ballot 174, with respect to Section 9.16.3<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="https://cabforum.org/pipermail/public/2016-April/007468.html" target="_blank">https://cabforum.org/pipermail/public/2016-April/007468.html</a> and <a href="https://cabforum.org/pipermail/public/2016-April/007480.html" target="_blank">https://cabforum.org/pipermail/public/2016-April/007480.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">There is certainly precedent within the Forum that "posted" shall mean available for access via the archives, as that can be objectively measured and quantified. I do not believe
we can reasonably argue that "posted" shall mean sent to this address. It cannot be shown, for example, that Microsoft did not block the posting on their end, thereby preventing proper disclosure by preventing egress from their network.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This is also not the first time in which the Chair has been the only recipient of a message, and which the interpretation has resulted in some concern. I will note Symantec's previous
exclusions, posted only to Dean (in his role as the previous chair), created uncertainty and ambiguity with respect to whether they abided by the Bylaws.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I would encourage you, for the avoidance of doubt and conflict, to reconsider your position, as I do not believe it is supported by the precedent, intent, or bylaws of the Forum.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:57 PM, Peter Bowen via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Kirk,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I suspect that the mailing list system rejected this email as Gordon is not subscribed to the public mailing list. The bylaws say: "<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Votes
not submitted to the Public Mail List will not be considered valid, and will not be counted for any purpose.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">The bylaws do not appear to contemplate what happens if the vote is _submitted_ to the mailing
list but not accepted. In this case it was copied to the chair, so you alone saw it. If Gordon had not explicitly copied you, then it would not have been counted. As you were explicitly copied, you received it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Given that the bylaws say "All voting will take place via the Public Mail List”, and
the mailing list archives allow verification of whether the email was posted, I am leaning towards the view that this is not a valid vote. However I can see how it is a grey area.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Apr 16, 2017, at 5:36 PM, Kirk Hall via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">This is the vote from Microsoft.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="m3432327186300659578gmail-m-4394909999074114016apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Gordon
Bock [<a href="mailto:gbock@microsoft.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954F72">mailto:gbock@microsoft.com</span></a>]<span class="m3432327186300659578gmail-m-4394909999074114016apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="m3432327186300659578gmail-m-4394909999074114016apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="m3432327186300659578gmail-m-4394909999074114016apple-converted-space"> </span>Kirk Hall <<a href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954F72">Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com</span></a>>; CA/Browser
Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954F72">public@cabforum.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="m3432327186300659578gmail-m-4394909999074114016apple-converted-space"> </span></b>RE: Ballot 194 - Effective Date of Ballot 193 Provisions is in the VOTING period (ends April 16)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Microsoft votes ‘Yes’.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="m3432327186300659578gmail-m-4394909999074114016apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, April 9, 2017 4:30 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="m3432327186300659578gmail-m-4394909999074114016apple-converted-space"> </span>Ballot 194 - Effective Date of Ballot 193 Provisions is in the VOTING period (ends April 16)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Purpose of Ballot:</span></b><span class="m3432327186300659578gmail-m-4394909999074114016apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Recent
Ballot 193 reduced the maximum period for certificates and for reuse of vetting data for DV and OV certificates from 39 months to 825 days. The effective date for reducing the maximum validity period of certificates was specified as March 1, 2018, but no
effective date was specified for when the reduction of the maximum period for reuse of vetting data becomes effective.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ballot 193 is in the Review Period (which will end on April 22, 2017), and has not yet taken effect. Bylaw 2.3 states
that Ballots should include a “redline or comparison showing the set of changes from the Final Guideline section(s) intended to become a Final Maintenance Guideline” and that “[s]uch redline or comparison shall be made against the Final Guideline section(s)
as they exist at the time a ballot is proposed”.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">To avoid confusion, this Ballot will show the proposed changes to BR 4.2.1 will be presented two ways: (1) a comparison
of the changes to BR 4.2.1 as it existed before Ballot 193 (which is as BR 4.2.1 exists at this time this ballot is proposed), and also (2) a comparison of the changes to BR 4.2.1 as it will exist after the Review Period for Ballot 193 is completed (assuming
no Exclusion Notices are filed).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The following motion has been proposed by Chris Bailey of Entrust Datacard and endorsed by Ben Wilson of DigiCert,
and Wayne Thayer of GoDaddy to introduce new Final Maintenance Guidelines for the "Baseline Requirements Certificate Policy for the Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted Certificates" (Baseline Requirements) and the "Guidelines for the Issuance and Management
of Extended Validation Certificates" (EV Guidelines).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">-- MOTION BEGINS --</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ballot Section 1</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">BR 4.2.1 is amended to read as follows:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">[Ballot amendments shown against BR 4.2.1<span class="m3432327186300659578gmail-m-4394909999074114016apple-converted-space"> </span><u>as
it currently exists without the changes adopted in Ballot 193</u>]</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">BR 4.2.1. Performing Identification and Authentication Functions</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The certificate request MAY include all factual information about the Applicant to be included in the Certificate,
and such additional information as is necessary for the CA to obtain from the Applicant in order to comply with these Requirements and the CA’s Certificate Policy and/or Certification Practice Statement. In cases where the certificate request does not contain
all the necessary information about the Applicant, the CA SHALL obtain the remaining information from the Applicant or, having obtained it from a reliable, independent, third</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif">‐</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">party
data source, confirm it with the Applicant. The CA SHALL establish and follow a documented procedure for verifying all data requested for inclusion in the Certificate by the Applicant.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Applicant information MUST include, but not be limited to, at least one Fully</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif">‐</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Qualified
Domain Name or IP address to be included in the Certificate’s SubjectAltName extension.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Section 6.3.2 limits the validity period of Subscriber Certificates. The CA MAY use the documents and data provided
in Section 3.2 to verify certificate information, provided that<b><u>:</u></b><span class="m3432327186300659578gmail-m-4394909999074114016apple-converted-space"> </span><i><s>the CA obtained the data or document from a source specified under Section 3.2 no
more than thirty</s></i></span><i><s><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif">‐</span></s></i><i><s><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">nine (39) months prior to issuing the Certificate.</span></s></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(1) Prior to March 1, 2018, the CA obtained the data or document from a source specified under Section 3.2 no
more than 39 months prior to issuing the Certificate; and</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(2) On or after March 1, 2018, the CA obtained the data or document from a source specified under Section 3.2
no more than 825 days prior to issuing the Certificate. </span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The CA SHALL develop, maintain, and implement documented procedures that identify and require additional verification
activity for High Risk Certificate Requests prior to the Certificate’s approval, as reasonably necessary to ensure that such requests are properly verified under these Requirements.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If a Delegated Third Party fulfills any of the CA’s obligations under this section, the CA SHALL verify that the process
used by the Delegated Third Party to identify and further verify High Risk Certificate Requests provides at least the same level of assurance as the CA’s own processes.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">[Ballot amendments shown against BR 4.2.1<span class="m3432327186300659578gmail-m-4394909999074114016apple-converted-space"> </span><u>as
it existed after Ballot 193 was approved</u>]</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">BR 4.2.1. Performing Identification and Authentication Functions</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The certificate request MAY include all factual information about the Applicant to be included in the Certificate,
and such additional information as is necessary for the CA to obtain from the Applicant in order to comply with these Requirements and the CA’s Certificate Policy and/or Certification Practice Statement. In cases where the certificate request does not contain
all the necessary information about the Applicant, the CA SHALL obtain the remaining information from the Applicant or, having obtained it from a reliable, independent, third</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif">‐</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">party
data source, confirm it with the Applicant. The CA SHALL establish and follow a documented procedure for verifying all data requested for inclusion in the Certificate by the Applicant.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Applicant information MUST include, but not be limited to, at least one Fully</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif">‐</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Qualified
Domain Name or IP address to be included in the Certificate’s SubjectAltName extension.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Section 6.3.2 limits the validity period of Subscriber Certificates. The CA MAY use the documents and data provided
in Section 3.2 to verify certificate information, provided that<b><u>:</u></b><span class="m3432327186300659578gmail-m-4394909999074114016apple-converted-space"> </span><i><s>the CA obtained the data or document from a source specified under Section 3.2 no
more than 825 days<span class="m3432327186300659578gmail-m-4394909999074114016apple-converted-space"><b> </b></span>prior to issuing the Certificate.</s></i></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(1) Prior to March 1, 2018, the CA obtained the data or document from a source specified under Section 3.2 no
more than 39 months prior to issuing the Certificate; and</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(2) On or after March 1, 2018, the CA obtained the data or document from a source specified under Section 3.2
no more than 825 days prior to issuing the Certificate. </span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The CA SHALL develop, maintain, and implement documented procedures that identify and require additional verification
activity for High Risk Certificate Requests prior to the Certificate’s approval, as reasonably necessary to ensure that such requests are properly verified under these Requirements.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If a Delegated Third Party fulfills any of the CA’s obligations under this section, the CA SHALL verify that the process
used by the Delegated Third Party to identify and further verify High Risk Certificate Requests provides at least the same level of assurance as the CA’s own processes.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Ballot Section 2</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The provisions of Ballot Section 1 will be effective retroactive to the effective date of Ballot 193.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">--Motion Ends--</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The procedure for approval of this Final Maintenance Guideline ballot is as follows (exact start and end times may
be adjusted to comply with applicable Bylaws and IPR Agreement):</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">BALLOT 194</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Status: Final Maintenance Guideline</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Start time (22:00 UTC)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">End time (22:00 UTC)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Discussion (7 to 14 days)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">April 2, 2017</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">April 9, 2017</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Vote for approval (7 days)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">April 9, 2017</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">April 16, 2017</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If vote approves ballot: Review Period (Chair to send Review Notice) (30 days). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If Exclusion Notice(s) filed, ballot approval is rescinded and PAG to be created.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If no Exclusion Notices filed, ballot becomes effective at end of Review Period.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Upon filing of Review Notice by Chair</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">30 days after filing of Review Notice by Chair</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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a redline or comparison showing the set of changes from the Final Guideline section(s) intended to become a Final Maintenance Guideline, and need not include a copy of the full set of guidelines. Such redline or comparison shall be made against the Final
Guideline section(s) as they exist at the time a ballot is proposed, and need not take into consideration other ballots that may be proposed subsequently, except as provided in Bylaw Section 2.3(j).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Votes must be cast by posting an on-list reply to this thread on the Public list. A vote in favor of the motion must
indicate a clear 'yes' in the response. A vote against must indicate a clear 'no' in the response. A vote to abstain must indicate a clear 'abstain' in the response. Unclear responses will not be counted. The latest vote received from any representative of
a voting member before the close of the voting period will be counted. Voting members are listed here:<span class="m3432327186300659578gmail-m-4394909999074114016apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://cabforum.org/members/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">https://cabforum.org/members/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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than 50% of the votes cast by members in the browser category must be in favor. <span class="m3432327186300659578gmail-m-4394909999074114016apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="background:white">Quorum is shown on CA/Browser Forum wiki. Under Bylaw
2.2(g), at least the required quorum number must participate in the ballot for the ballot to be valid, either by voting in favor, voting against, or abstaining.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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