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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Ryan, you weaken your case when you are patronizing to people. If you don’t want to respond to my question (why not include legislative Notes on transition rules
to the BRs right where they apply, as is commonly done), that’s your right, but again you weaken your case.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Peter made an interesting suggestion that we keep layering on transition rules into the BRs themselves – here is his example:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">In section 7.1.4.2, replace the last sentence (which currently reads " CAs SHALL NOT include a Domain Name or IP Address in a Subject attribute except as specified in Sections 3.2.2.4 or 3.2.2.5.”) with something
like:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">“CAs MUST NOT include Domain Name or IP Address in a Subject Attribute unless it has been verified using a procedure covered in section 3.2.2.4 or 3.2.2.5 of the Baseline Requirements that were in effect at the
time of verification, Such verification MUST have occurred no more than 39 months prior to certificate issuance if the issuance occurs before 1 March 2018. Such verification MUST have occurred no more than 825 days prior to certificate issuance if the issuance
occurs on or after 1 March 2018.”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Yes, that will resolve ONE set of transition rules from ONE ballot – but what do we do when we have another ballot that amends the same section? And then another?
(Gerv gave a good example of this possibility this morning relating to the .well-known validation rule as you recall). Do we keep adding transition rules and effective dates over and over again to the same section? That makes no sense, and is not generally
how rule sets are amended and codified.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Ryan Sleevi [mailto:sleevi@google.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kirk Hall <Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <public@cabforum.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL]Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 190: Domain Validation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Kirk Hall <<a href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com" target="_blank">Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Can you explain why you oppose including Sec. 2 of Ballot 190 as a Note at the end of BR 3.2.2.4 as
updated? This is commonly done for rule sets around the world, and is the simplest and easiest way to proceed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I thought your concern was making sure that someone who looked at the updated BRs would see what transition
rules had been adopted, and would not have to go back to Ballot 190 to find out. A Notice at the end of BR 3.2.2.4 would accomplish that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">It would be very helpful to the Forum if you would consider alternatives to the exact outcome you want,
and evaluate other options that will meet your concerns and also the concerns and opinions of other members. Right now, it’s hard to understand why you are not showing any flexibility.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kirk,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Flexibility on ambiguity is not flexibility, it's foolishness. I can understand that it may be difficult for you to understand the set of concerns, but I think you're unduly offering suggestions on something that Jeremy is more than capable
of addressing. It's unclear why you're attempting to propose a particular solution, rather than allow him, as the ballot author, to understand these concerns, as he no doubt does, and incorporate them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you're concerned about ballots you may propose running into the same issue, then if you were to propose a ballot that suffers from the same problem here, I'm more than happy to take the time with you, including on the phone if necessary
and helpful for you, to explain these concerns to your satisfaction. However, I think you're unduly presenting a solution that is insufficient, but also irrelevant to the task at hand.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think there's enough context on this list for Jeremy to understand the concerns and address them. And I'm sure you agree that making progress is more important than satisfying your understanding.<o:p></o:p></p>
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