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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Any endorsers?<o:p></o:p></span></a></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Public [mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ben Wilson via Public<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 12, 2017 9:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> Ryan Sleevi <sleevi@google.com>; CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <public@cabforum.org><br><b>Cc:</b> Ben Wilson <ben.wilson@digicert.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] RFC5280-related Ballot - For Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Thanks Ryan. I can make that change.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Ryan Sleevi [<a href="mailto:sleevi@google.com">mailto:sleevi@google.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 11, 2017 2:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Ben Wilson <<a href="mailto:ben.wilson@digicert.com">ben.wilson@digicert.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] RFC5280-related Ballot - For Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>No, encoding it as a UTF8String is not valid in the subjectAltName (whose type dNSName is defined as IA5String)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Ben Wilson via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a name="m_-4513551521713594733__MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>If the ballot were amended to address only underscore characters (and delete outdated content), would there be any endorsers? See attached.</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:2.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0174C3'>Ben Wilson, JD, CISA, CISSP</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:2.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#686869'>VP Compliance</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:2.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#686869'><a href="tel:(801)%20701-9678" target="_blank">+1 801 701 9678</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><img border=0 width=133 height=29 style='width:1.3875in;height:.3in' id="m_-4513551521713594733Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D2B442.B1405430"></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Public [mailto:<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Bowen via Public<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 11, 2017 10:23 AM<br><b>To:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Peter Bowen <<a href="mailto:pzb@amzn.com" target="_blank">pzb@amzn.com</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] RFC5280-related Ballot - For Discussion<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I agree. There seems to be quite a bit of opposition on the PKIX list to extending the length. It was reasonably pointed out that things that process ASN.1 according to the schema will break.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>However I would point out that this also rolls the other way — adding underscore should be safe, as the ASN.1 schema already allows this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Apr 10, 2017, at 12:33 PM, Ryan Sleevi via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>That's an interesting take. I read the same discussions and took quite the opposite conclusion.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Ben Wilson via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a name="m_-4513551521713594733_m_750542716493949"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>All,</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I’ve posted the proposal to the PKIX list and haven’t heard sufficient opposition on that list, IMHO, that would merit holding up this proposed revision to the Baseline Requirements. I need two endorsers for a ballot.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Ben </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Ryan Sleevi [mailto:</span><a href="mailto:sleevi@google.com" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>sleevi@google.com</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 3, 2017 9:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <</span><a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>public@cabforum.org</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>><br><b>Cc:</b> Ben Wilson <</span><a href="mailto:ben.wilson@digicert.com" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>ben.wilson@digicert.com</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] RFC5280-related Ballot - For Discussion</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>For those who want to understand why the IETF rejected this change, the thread begins at <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/pkix/MJwKL1lqRDuEAhqQ1Ydb5eWBSIs/?qid=ace7ed4844045716922706d6a80b0747" target="_blank">https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/pkix/MJwKL1lqRDuEAhqQ1Ydb5eWBSIs/?qid=ace7ed4844045716922706d6a80b0747</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>You can also see <a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/376/" target="_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/376/</a> and the discussion at <a href="https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pkix/current/msg02361.html" target="_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pkix/current/msg02361.html</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This was reviewed prior to the production of 5280 - that is, it was known at the time 5280 was produced, and was decided not to adopt - see <a href="https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pkix/current/msg02357.html" target="_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pkix/current/msg02357.html</a> and <a href="https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pkix/current/msg02336.html" target="_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pkix/current/msg02336.html</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Ben Wilson via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Here is a redlined version of sections 7.1.4.2.1 and 7.1.4.2.2 of the Baseline Requirements which proposes amendments to the way the Baseline Requirements handle the maximum length for subjectAltName, commonName and organizationName and also clarifies the use of the underscore character.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:2.0pt'><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0174C3'>Ben Wilson, JD, CISA, CISSP</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:2.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#686869'>VP Compliance</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:2.0pt'><a href="tel:(801)%20701-9678" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>+1 801 701 9678</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><image003.jpg><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Public mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">Public@cabforum.org</a><br><a href="https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public" target="_blank">https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Public mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">Public@cabforum.org</a><br><a href="https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public" target="_blank">https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>_______________________________________________<br>Public mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">Public@cabforum.org</a><br><a href="https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public" target="_blank">https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Public mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Public@cabforum.org">Public@cabforum.org</a><br><a href="https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public" target="_blank">https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>