<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">The UN is not the only international organization. There are dozens. And they do not have sovereign status. Not even the UN.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In practice, CERN was happy being <a href="http://cern.ch" class="">cern.ch</a> and the UN being <a href="http://un.org" class="">un.org</a> despite the invention of .int just for them.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Let us not go making more problems.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 20, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Erwann Abalea via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" class="">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="">For the sake of the exercise, lets extend the question to United Nations. UN headquarters are not subject to US law, they’re considered as international territory.</div>
<div class="">UN has no country code, even if the « UN » ISO3166-1 country code has been reserved.</div>
<div class="">Under current BR, clause 3.2.2.3 says that a CA could issue a certificate for UN with C=US if:</div>
<div class=""> - the web site's IP address has been assigned to the US;</div>
<div class=""> - the applicant’s IP address has been assigned to the US;</div>
<div class=""> - ccTLD used is .us; or</div>
<div class=""> - the Domain Name Registrar provides information saying that the subject is in the US</div>
<div class="">(method (d) can hardly return a positive result for C=US).</div>
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<div class="">Under current BR, having C=UN is not possible. Is it correct to forbid C=UN for this specific case?</div>
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<div class="">(<a href="http://www.un.org/" class="">www.un.org</a> and <a href="http://www.un.int/" class="">
www.un.int</a> have an OV certificate clearly listing a physical place that is within the UN HQ (i.e. international territory), with C=US)</div>
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<div class="">Cordialement,</div>
<div class="">Erwann Abalea</div>
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<div class="">Le 20 mars 2017 à 18:22, Dimitris Zacharopoulos via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" class="">public@cabforum.org</a>> a écrit :</div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class="">Thank you Gerv, I will try contacting the
<a href="https://www.iso.org/member/1759.html" class="">NQIS ELOT</a>, the Greek representative body in ISO, to see if there is more to this "EL" story.<br class="">
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<pre wrap="" class="">On 20/03/17 08:03, Dimitris Zacharopoulos via Public wrote:
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<pre wrap="" class="">I don't know if the Greek government has contacted ISO3166 in order to
add some text that makes an "exceptional reservation" notice for "EL"
but would this change anything? I mean "UK" is already marked as
"exceptionally reserved" but it's still not allowed in the current BRs.
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<pre wrap="" class="">It would change everything. If EL were exceptionally reserved, that
would mean it could not be allocated to another country, and it would be
reserved for use by Greece. Without such an exceptional reservation, it
could be allocated at any time. New countries do come into being from
time to time, you know :-)
In other words, I think it would be fine (although not compulsory) to
update the BRs to allow countries to use alternate codes which were
exceptionally reserved for them. There is no risk of ambiguity here. But
it would be deeply unwise for us to update the BRs to allow the use of
officially-unallocated country identifiers.
I am not suggesting that Dimitris petition the ISO, I am saying that if
the Greek government want people to use EL, _they_ need to sort it out
with ISO. They probably have more clout than Dimitris, anyway ;-)
Gerv
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