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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Yes…. Nevermind.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Basically, you’re saying revalidation is required for keyCompromise or cACompromise only? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Ryan Sleevi [mailto:sleevi@google.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 1, 2017 12:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <public@cabforum.org><br><b>Cc:</b> Jeremy Rowley <jeremy.rowley@digicert.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Draft Ballot 186 - Limiting the Reuse of Validation Information<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jeremy,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Did you misread superseded as suspended? "Suspension" is indicated by certificateHold, which is different than the ones listed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For sake of completeness, here's the RFC5280 list of revocation reasons:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> ReasonFlags ::= BIT STRING {<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> unused (0),<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> keyCompromise (1),<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> cACompromise (2),<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> affiliationChanged (3),<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> superseded (4),<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> cessationOfOperation (5),<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> certificateHold (6),<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> privilegeWithdrawn (7),<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> aACompromise (8) }<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Jeremy Rowley via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Suspension is not permitted under 4.9.13 of the BRs. It didn’t work with the way browsers did caching, making it impossible to unrevoked a cert. Plus, it was pretty suspicious when CRL listings disappeared.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a name="m_-8129945046377862576__MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></a><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Public [mailto:<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Bowen via Public<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Peter Bowen <<a href="mailto:pzb@amzn.com" target="_blank">pzb@amzn.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Draft Ballot 186 - Limiting the Reuse of Validation Information</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Feb 1, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Ryan Sleevi via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Ryan Sleevi <<a href="mailto:sleevi@google.com" target="_blank">sleevi@google.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.5pt'>Reposing on behalf of <span class=m-8129945046377862576gmail-m-2027377797794697035gmail-gd>Jürgen Brauckmann</span> <span class=m-8129945046377862576gmail-m-2027377797794697035gmail-go><<a href="mailto:brauckmann@dfn-cert.de" target="_blank">brauckmann@dfn-cert.de</a>></span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span class=m-8129945046377862576gmail-><span style='font-size:9.5pt'>Ryan Sleevi via Public schrieb:</span></span><span style='font-size:9.5pt'><br><span class=m-8129945046377862576gmail-m-2027377797794697035gmail-im>> 4. The CA has not revoked any certificates which contain certificate</span><br><span class=m-8129945046377862576gmail-m-2027377797794697035gmail-im>> information verified using the document or data.</span><br><br><span class=m-8129945046377862576gmail->Your goal is to kill OV?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>And why does OV require revocation? OV totally remains valid, so long as you're not revoking those certs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>As mentioned in my other message just now, beyond keyCompromise, what other reasons would you revoke a cert? Surely if you revoke a cert because of "affiliationChanged", you should very well be revalidating the affiliation before issuing a new cert; otherwise, you could revoke the cert and totally reissue it using the original bogus information.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt;border-left-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal'><div style='margin-left:22.5pt'><div style='margin-top:3.75pt;margin-right:11.25pt' id="m_-8129945046377862576:5v7"><div id="m_-8129945046377862576:5xj"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>Consider these revocation reasons in the X.509 text:<br><br>- superseded indicates that the certificate has been superseded but<br>there is no cause to suspect that the private key has been compromised<br><br>- cessationOfOperation indicates that the certificate is no longer<br>needed for the purpose for which it was issued but there is no cause<br>to suspect that the private key has been compromise<br><br>If a customer is replacing certificate X with certificate Y (probably<br>with the same SANs), it is completely reasonable for them to request<br>revocation of X once Y is fully deployed. I would use "superseded"<br>for this case. It is also possible that a customer ceases to use a<br>server and wants to revoke using "cessationOfOperation". Neither of<br>these cases says anything about the validity of the domain<br>registration or organization information.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Public mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Public@cabforum.org">Public@cabforum.org</a><br><a href="https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public" target="_blank">https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>