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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi Peter,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I think we referenced the right section, 3.2.2.4.9 Test Certificate, in the exclusion notice.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Peter Bowen [mailto:pzb@amzn.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 13, 2017 2:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <public@cabforum.org>; Doug Beattie <doug.beattie@globalsign.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kirk Hall <Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Volunteers needed to serve on a Patent Advisory Group (PAG) for Ballot 182<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Doug,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I think it would be great to have someone from GlobalSign on the PAG, as I was rather confused when I saw the GlobalSign exclusion notice posted. The IPR policy specifically
does not a member to file exclusions on items contributed by the member. As I’m sure you remember, Section 3.2.2.4.9 in ballots 169 and 182 is the method that you contributed in the validation working group. Did the GlobalSign notice cite the wrong section?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:37 AM, Doug Beattie via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Carolyn Oldenburg of GlobalSign would like to volunteer to be on the PAG assuming there is not a conflict because we filed an exclusion notice.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Public
[<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org"><span style="color:#954F72">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Kirk Hall via Public<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, January 3, 2017 4:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"><span style="color:#954F72">public@cabforum.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Kirk Hall <<a href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com"><span style="color:#954F72">Kirk.Hall@entrustdatacard.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[cabfpub] Volunteers needed to serve on a Patent Advisory Group (PAG) for Ballot 182<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Because there were Exclusion Notices filed for Ballot 182 during the Review Period, we must now form a Patent Advisory Group to review the Exclusion Notices. Once convened,
the PAG will elect its own Chair, who can’t be affiliated with a company that filed an Essential Claim.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Who will volunteer to serve on the PAG?</span></u></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Our IPR Policy provides as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">7. Exception Handling</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">7.1. PAG Formation</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In the event a patent has been disclosed that may contain an Essential Claim, but such Essential Claim is not available under CAB Forum RF Licensing, a Patent Advisory Group
(PAG) will be launched to resolve the conflict. The PAG is an ad-hoc group constituted specifically in relation to the Final Guideline or Final Maintenance Guideline containing the conflict. A PAG may also be formed without such a disclosure if a PAG could
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">7.3. PAG Procedures</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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The timing for convening the PAG is at the discretion of the Chair. In some cases, convening a PAG before a specific patent disclosure is made may be useful. In other cases, it may be that the PAG can better resolve the licensing problems when the specification
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">a. The initial concern has been resolved, enabling the work on the Guideline to continue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">b. The CAB Forum should be instructed to consider designing around the identified claims.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">c. The PAG should seek further information and evaluation, including and not limited to evaluation of the patents in question or the terms under which CAB Forum RF licensing
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">d. The project relating to the Draft Guideline in question should be terminated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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