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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Virginia, you added a new subsection (l) (iii) as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">(iii) If the PAG recommends that the Forum not proceed with the Ballot, and the proposer and endorsers decide to proceed anyway, a new Draft
Guidelines Ballot must be proposed, and must go through the steps described in Sections 2.3(c) through (l) above. In addition, the new Draft Guidelines Ballot must include the PAG’s report on the Exclusion Notices for the original Ballot.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Do we face the infinite loop problem here?
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Ballot 1 – Exclusion Noticed filed – PAG formed – PAG recommends to Forum that the ballot not proceed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Proposer/endorsers decide to proceed anyway, with no changes to the ballot. Under (l)(ii)(a), normally that would just be an up-or-down vote and no
further Review Period or PAG work. However, under new (iii), the proposer/endorsers have to take Ballot 1 and resubmit it as new Ballot 2 (with no changes), and the steps of 2.3 (c) through (l) are repeated. Again, same Exclusion Notices filed – PAG formed
– PAG recommends to Forum that the ballot not proceed, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Proposer/endorsers decide to proceed anyway. Here we go again – Ballot 3 filed (identical), etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Am I misinterpreting this new language?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I think we don’t really need (iii) – I think that after a PAG has completed its work and said “don’t approve this”, if the proposer/endorsers want to have a vote
anyway we should probably just hold the vote, with no further fuss. The Members will all be aware of the results of the PAG and its recommendations not to approve the ballot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Public [mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Virginia Fournier via Public<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 9, 2017 10:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'management@cabforum.org' (management@cabforum.org) <management@cabforum.org>; CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <public@cabforum.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Virginia Fournier <vfournier@apple.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cabfpub] Proposed Ballot 183 (Ballot process)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Kirk and all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please see my responses to your comments below. I’ve also attached an updated draft with redlines to show changes from the last draft. The diagram is also included for those who may not have seen it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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