<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Ryan,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We all know we disagree on the current documents, which is, in part, why we are working on an updated process. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Would you please clarify what your specific objective is? Are you looking for an interpretation that the voting period on Ballot 182 ends on Jan 7th? Please note that a PAG can also be convened for an adopted guideline pursuant to Section 7.2 of the IPR Policy - so this could be done after the voting period ends. Also, all Forum members would be on notice of the Exclusion Notices that were submitted during the Review Period. Is this what you’re looking for? </div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"><span class="" style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span style="font-family: Arial; orphans: auto; widows: auto;" class=""><br class=""></span></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"><span class="" style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><br class=""></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">Best regards,</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; min-height: 17px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">Virginia Fournier</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">Senior Standards Counsel</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class=""><span style="line-height: normal; font-family: 'Myriad Set Pro'; color: rgb(94, 94, 94); -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(94, 94, 94);" class=""></span> Apple Inc.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class="">☏ 669-227-9595</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(71, 135, 255); -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(71, 135, 255); -webkit-text-stroke-width: initial;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">✉︎ <a href="mailto:vmf@apple.com" class=""><span style="-webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(71, 135, 255);" class="">vmf@apple.com</span></a></span></div></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"><div class="" style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
</div>
<br class=""><div><div class="">On Jan 3, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Ryan Sleevi <<a href="mailto:sleevi@google.com" class="">sleevi@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Virginia Fournier via Public <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank" class="">public@cabforum.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family:Helvetica" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class="">1) Does the formation of a PAG affect the stated ballot date of Jan 7?</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;" class=""><font color="#941100" class="">>>>Pursuant to Section 7.3.1, the PAG is convened by the PAG Chair, and the timing is at the discretion of the PAG Chair. So if the PAG Chair decides that the PAG should be formed before the vote on the Ballot is complete in light of the Exclusion Notices received, then that’s what should happen and voting will be suspended. This makes sense because members would not want to vote on the Ballot without knowing the PAG’s conclusion on the Exclusions. Voting on the Ballot would then take place after the PAG provides its conclusion on the Exclusion(s). Voting members would then have the PAG conclusion and their own patent analyses available prior to voting (unless the PAG does not recommend proceeding to a vote, in which case the proponents will likely withdraw the Ballot). </font><font color="#941100" face="Times New Roman, serif" size="3" class=""> </font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I suppose a specific question: I have read the IPR Policy and Bylaws numerous times, but as I indicated to Kirk, I cannot find any text that supports this view: That it is possible for a Ballot to be suspended upon the formation of a PAG or unilaterally by the Chair. I realize both possibilities have been discussed for future improvements, but I do not believe our current process allows it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As you and Kirk have clearly taken a different read of our current process and workmode, I'm curious if you can support that interpretation with text from our Bylaws or IPR Policy. While I understand why it would be desirable, particularly under the interpretation of our process that was being used for these Ballots, I don't believe it's well supported - but would be happy to know where I'm mistaken.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The other questions I asked were questions which I believe the IPR Policy and Bylaws do answer, and for which I think their answers arguably highlight flaws with an interpretation that voting is "suspended".</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Given that a fully endorsed ballot was put forward, given that it concluded a 60 day review period, I cannot help but conclude that voting has begun, and will end on Jan 7, and whatever the result, that will be the 'end' of Ballot 182.</div><div class="">It may be that members vote No, due to the fact that disclosures were made.<br class=""></div><div class="">It may be that members vote Yes, because the disclosures made does not negatively impact the value afforded by a clear and unambiguous document.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But I do not want it to be left as a zombie ballot in a 'limbo' state after Jan 7.</div><div class="">I do not want it to prevent further ballots after Jan 7.</div><div class="">I do not want it to fail quorum because the Chair didn't adhere to the Bylaws or IPR policy, however undesirable that may be.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div>
</div></div><br class=""></div></body></html>