<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Ryan,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think the simple solution here is determine that this is not a Working Group nor PAG, rather it is a meeting of the Forum. Any member can attend if they so wish and minutes can be kept. This would mean there are not “chairs” of the group, rather the chair is asking someone to lead the discussion.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Do you believe that would fall within the bylaws?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Peter</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 15, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Ryan Sleevi via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" class="">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Kirk,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I hate to be a pedant on process, but I'm curious how this fits with our workmode on process and our bylaws. In particular, we have a PAG and we have Working Groups. Section 5.3 defines how Working Groups are convened:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Members may propose by ballot the appointment of Working Groups open to participation by
Members and Interested Parties. The ballot shall outline the scope of the Working Group’s
activities, including deliverables, any limitations, and Working Group expiration date.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Alternatively, a PAG may be convened as per the IPR Policy. Section 7.1 notes "A PAG may also be formed without such a disclosure if a PAG could help avoid anticipated patent problems. " If a PAG is being convened, "The PAG will be convened by a Chair who shall be elected by the PAG and who must not be affiliated with the company owning the Essential Claim that is the subject of the PAG"</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Given all of the situation with following the bylaws, I do hope you appreciate the significance and seriousness of it. The precedent here - of creating Task Forces to deal with issues - calls into serious questions about the ability of the Forum to ensure IP is appropriately protected. For example, I would hope that before a single meeting is held, it be clarified how this Task Force fits within the obligations of the Bylaws and the IPR Policy. For example, Working Groups must have minutes. Members' activities are formally Contributions. These are important protections that would appear entirely unresolved.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would like to specifically ask that you either put forward a Ballot to convene a Working Group - with defined deliverables - or state unambiguously that this is a PAG - in which case, the chair(s) must be elected by the PAG. However, neither of these workmodes, as defined in our Bylaws and IPR policy, are compatible with what you've proposed here. As we've seen, when work goes on without a charter and ballot - such as the Code Signing WG - this creates significant issues for the members, particularly around IP, so I do hope you will treat this with the utmost care.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div> <br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Kirk Hall via Public <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank" class="">public@cabforum.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On our most recent call on Nov. 10, Dean Coclin suggested we create an IPR Policy Committee (I’d rather call it a Task Force) to consider possible clarifications and/or revisions to our current IPR Policy and/or Bylaws, and others agreed.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal">
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I will shortly send a meeting invitation to the entire members list setting a time for this new IPR Policy Task Force. Following discussion with Ben and Dean, it appears the best time to schedule this call is at the same time as the current Governance Change
Working Group (Tuesdays at 9:00 am Pacific,12:00 Eastern, 5:00 pm London), but on
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I’d like to ask Ben Wilson and Virginia Fournier to be the initial co-chairs for the first meeting, and to develop a meeting agenda with options for consideration. The Task Force can choose other co-chairs at the first meeting if desired. If you have suggestions
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