<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 8, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Peter Bowen <<a href="mailto:pzb@amzn.com" class="">pzb@amzn.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 8, 2016, at 9:05 AM, Ryan Sleevi via Public <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" class="">public@cabforum.org</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">As has been stated elsewhere, members must be aware that if Position 1 is accepted under the standard of "authorial intent" - rather than what your legal teams reviewed and executed - then it takes only three members to trigger an IP search for you - and that of your Affiliates (See Section 3 of <a href="https://cabforum.org/wp-content/uploads/CABF-IPR-Policy-v.1.2.pdf" class="">https://cabforum.org/wp-content/uploads/CABF-IPR-Policy-v.1.2.pdf</a> and related to understand the obligations of affiliates). Any member that failed to conduct such a search, and exclude such IP, runs the risk that the Forum may incorporate such work into a Final Guideline by a vote. To accept Position 1, at present, and in the absence of any other ballots to clarify process or interpretation, would likely make it untenable for any member who holds IP - in any area, whether or not it relates to CAs or otherwise - to attempt to bring it into scope of the Forum and potentially invoke RF licensing if members do not diligently exclude.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">As a reminder, "Affiliates" includes companies under common majority ownership, right? So if a member has a majority owner, then that owner's other companies are in scope, right?</span><br style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><br style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">For example, reading Wikipedia (so this might be wrong), Trustwave (a CA/BF member) is owned by SingTel. Wikipedia says SingTel is majority owned by Temasek which has a sole shareholder of Singapore's Ministry of Finance and Signapore also owns </span><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">GIC Private Limited. So it seems any claim owned by any entity majority owned by Temasek or GIC is subject to our IPR policy.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Another example I just found:</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Entrust is apparently owned by Stefan Quandt (<a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-12-17/quandt-family-buys-entrust-in-shift-from-card-swipes-to-online" class="">https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-12-17/quandt-family-buys-entrust-in-shift-from-card-swipes-to-online</a>), who has numerous other businesses (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Quandt" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Quandt</a>). </div><div><br class=""></div><div>Following Ryan’s example, three members could agree to propose “Guidelines for Certification of Homeopathic Medicines”.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><span class="sew398fip1jrxj9" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;"></span><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">I can see how this gets very complicated quickly :)</div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">Thanks,</div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">Peter</div></div><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>