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I agree as well.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/21/2016 10:16 AM, Jeremy Rowley
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<div>I agree with this approach. Option 7 was the "any other
method". Now that the validation methods are a finite list, we
need to amend the ev guidelines to remove the old restriction as
no longer relevant.</div>
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On Sep 21, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Doug Beattie <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As
discussed below, the list of support domain validation
methods for EV issuance is confused, and actually
wrong. It says any method in section 3.2.2.4 can be
used except 3.2.2.4(7), which means methods 8, 9, and 10
ARE currently valid options (well, not 8 because EV does
not support IP addresses). In summary, the way the BRs
and EVGLs are written:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Options
1-6, 8-10 are allowed for EV issuance<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Option
7 (DNS) is NOT permitted<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">This
was not the intent – the intent was all methods in
3.2.2.4 should be supported for EV, but this was not
discussed nor was any security analysis performed to
determine if these posed any risks for EV issuance. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
agree with Kirk’s recommendation on the change:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT">EVGL
11.7.1(1) For each Fully-Qualified Domain Name listed in
a Certificate, other than a Domain Name with .onion in
the rightmost label of the Domain Name, the CA SHALL
confirm that, as of the date the Certificate was issued,
the Applicant (or the Applicant’s Parent Company,
Subsidiary Company, or Affiliate, collectively referred
to as “Applicant” for the purposes of this section)
either is the Domain Name Registrant or has control over
the FQDN using a procedure specified in Section 3.2.2.4
of the Baseline Requirements<s>, except that a CA MAY
NOT verify a domain using the procedure described
subsection 3.2.2.4(7)</s>. For a Certificate issued to
a Domain Name with .onion in the right-most label of the
Domain Name, the CA SHALL confirm that, as of the date
the Certificate was issued, the Applicant’s control over
the .onion Domain Name in accordance with Appendix F.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I’m
being asked for guidance within the company and I’m sure
other CAs are in the same situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Does
anyone have a concern with this approach as a pre-pre
ballot? If not, the Validation working group can put
forth a ballot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Doug<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kirk Hall<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 19, 2016 8:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> CABFPub<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 169 problem
report<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Erwann,
you are correct that we need to change EVGL 11.7.1, and
at different times the Validation Working Group
discussed that. But it never made it into Ballot 169.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
intention was that after we removed the “any other
method” of old BR 3.2.2.4 (which we did by Ballot 169),
then all of the domain validation methods could be used
for EV certificates, including methods (7) through
(10). So I think the better correction of EVGL
11.7.1(1) would be simply to remove the words “***,
except that a CA MAY NOT verify a domain using the
procedure described subsection 3.2.2.4(7)”. We may
need to make other modifications as well. I think this
issue should go back to the (revived) Validation Working
Group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Here
is how the amended EVGL 11.7.1(1) would read:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT">EVGL
11.7.1(1) For each Fully-Qualified Domain Name listed in
a Certificate, other than a Domain Name with .onion in
the rightmost label of the Domain Name, the CA SHALL
confirm that, as of the date the Certificate was issued,
the Applicant (or the Applicant’s Parent Company,
Subsidiary Company, or Affiliate, collectively referred
to as “Applicant” for the purposes of this section)
either is the Domain Name Registrant or has control over
the FQDN using a procedure specified in Section 3.2.2.4
of the Baseline Requirements<s>, except that a CA MAY
NOT verify a domain using the procedure described
subsection 3.2.2.4(7)</s>. For a Certificate issued to
a Domain Name with .onion in the right-most label of the
Domain Name, the CA SHALL confirm that, as of the date
the Certificate was issued, the Applicant’s control over
the .onion Domain Name in accordance with Appendix F.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Erwann Abalea<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 19, 2016 7:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robin Alden <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:robin@comodo.com">robin@comodo.com</a>>;
CABFPub <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 169 problem
report<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Bonjour, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The modification of section 3.2.2.4
has consequences on EVG section 11.7.1.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">EVG section 11.7.1 says:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(1) […] using a procedure specified
in Section 3.2.2.4 of the Baseline Requirements,
except that a CA MAY NOT verify a domain using the
procedure described subsection 3.2.2.4(7). […]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Due to this rewriting of BR 3.2.2.4,
I guess this Section 11.7.1 of EVG should be changed to:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">« […] a CA MAY NOT verify a domain
using the procedures described subsection 3.2.2.4.7,
3.2.2.4.8, 3.2.2.4.9, and 3.2.2.4.10. »<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cordialement,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Erwann Abalea<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Le 7 sept. 2016 à 15:37, Robin
Alden <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:robin@comodo.com">robin@comodo.com</a>>
a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Ballot
169 – “Revised Validation Requirements”
introduced text into section 3.2.2.4 which
refers to section 3.3.1.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">“3.2.2.4<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Completed
confirmations of Applicant authority may be
valid for the issuance of multiple
certificates over time. In all cases, the
confirmation must have been initiated within
the time period specified in the relevant
requirement (<span style="background:yellow">such
as Section 3.3.1 of this document</span>)
prior to certificate issuance. For purposes of
domain validation, the term Applicant includes
the Applicant's Parent Company, Subsidiary
Company, or Affiliate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">…“<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Section
3.3.1 of the BRs now consists only of the
section heading, with no body text.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">“3.3.1.
Identification and Authentication for Routine
Re‐key”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
text which was at 3.3.1 in the guidelines when
we started working on what became ballot 169
read:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Section
6.3.2 limits the validity period of Subscriber
Certificates. The CA MAY use the documents and
data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">provided
in Section 3.2 to verify certificate
information, provided that the CA obtained the
data or document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div style="margin-left:.5in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">from
a source specified under Section 3.2 no more
than thirty‐nine (39) months prior to issuing
the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Certificate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">(taken
from version 1.3.0 of the BRs)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">That
text now appears as the third paragraph of
4.2.1 (Performing Identification and
Authentication Functions)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Should
we move that text back into 3.3.1, or should
we change 3.2.2.4 so that the reference points
to 4.2.1 instead of pointing to 3.3.1?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Regards<br>
Robin Alden<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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