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<div class="">Le 1 sept. 2016 à 22:46, Moudrick M. Dadashov <<a href="mailto:md@ssc.lt" class="">md@ssc.lt</a>> a écrit :</div>
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<div class="">My reading is that 319412-1 lists the different certificate profiles and defines semantic identifiers to be used for natural (in serialNumber) and legal (in organizationIdentifier) persons in other 319412-x profiles when necessary; 319412-2 and
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319412-2: 1 Scope - The present document specifies requirements on the content of certificates issued to natural persons. This profile builds on IETF RFC 5280 [1] for generic profiling of Recommendation ITU-T X.509 | ISO/IEC 9594-8 [i.3]. This profile supports
the requirements of EU Qualified Certificates as specified in the Regulation (EU) No 910/2014 [i.5] ***as well as other forms of certificate***. The scope of the present document is primary limited to facilitate interoperable processing and display of certificate
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319412-3: 1 Scope - The present document specifies a certificate profile for certificates issued to legal persons. The profile defined in the present document builds on requirements defined in ETSI EN 319 412-2 [2]. The present document supports the requirements
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<div>That’s right.</div>
<div>But 319412-4 exclusively scopes web site certificates (and explicitly references CABFBR+EVG, and 319412-1 and 319412-5); 319412-2 and -3 don’t mention CABForum, BR or EVG, don’t make any reference to 319412-4, and can produce non-CABF-compliant certificates
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<div>I then think it’s safe to argue that 319412-2 and -3 must not be followed to produce « web site certificates » (well, at least, not public ones, for whatever « public » means).</div>
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<div class="">319412-4 basically says « follow CABF BR for website certificates issued to legal or natural persons, or CABF EVG for website certificates issued to legal persons, and if the certificate is Qualified, add the QCStatements extension as described
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<div class="">BR in section 7.1.4.2.2 lists the attributes found in the subject name, and its item (i) allows for other attributes. So you can add a serialNumber or organizationIdentifier attribute, it’s BR-compliant. Ballot 175 (if/when adopted) will clarify
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<div>EVG+EN319412-1: serialNumber+jurisdiction*Name, AND organizationIdentifier</div>
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<div>The serialNumber attribute won’t change. In the unlikely situation where a browser tried to validate the content and/or syntax of this attribute, since you don’t change it, there’s no problem; you’re only adding another attribute. This one having been
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<div>OV and « legal persons » certificates.</div>
<div>BR: nothing</div>
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<div>IV and « natural persons » certificates.</div>
<div>BR: nothing</div>
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<div>You’re just adding an attribute here, no conflict.</div>
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<div>Requiring all CAs to follow ETSI EN 319412-1? Won’t work ;)</div>
<div>And even following 319412-1, a CA can produce two certificates to the same entity with different values and/or notations (semanticsId is not mandatory).</div>
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<div class="">EVG in section 9.2 does the same for EV certificates, and section 9.2.8 also allows other attributes to be filled in. You’re then allowed to add the organizationIdentifier attribute, in addition to the already present serialNumber. See them as
duplicate information (organizationIdentifier contains jurisdiction*Name and serialNumber altogether, in a sense).</div>
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<div class="">BR in section 7.1.2 sets requirements on certificate extensions, and section 7.1.2.4 allows for other extensions to be added. So the QCStatements extension can be added if you want, considering that you (as a CA) are « aware of a reason for including
the data in the Certificate », and that this extension will not « mislead a Relying Party about the Certificate information verified by the CA ».</div>
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<p class="">Right, the question is whether the Subject field value, presented in accordance with id-etsi-qcs-SemanticsId, remains BR/EVG compliant.</p>
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<div class="">If the QCStatement extension declares the id-etsi-qcs-SemanticsId-Natural semantics identifier, then yes, the serialNumber will contain the passport number, IDcard number, or other (there's a list in EN 319412-1). The data contained in this attribute
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<div class="gmail_extra">If there's no semantics identifier declared in the QCStatements extension, or if this extension is missing, the serialNumber is local to the CA. And of course, a relying party would have to ask the CA to point to the right "Robert Smith"
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<div class="gmail_extra">That doesn't fit well with web server certificates... Even if the serialNumber contains a global identifier (such as passport), the probability that as a user I can compare the passport number found in the certificate to the real passport
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">Erwann, you mention the serialNumber attribute for a natural person – I assume this is not a Social Security number or other sensitive information?
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public-bounces@cabforum.org</a> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank" class="">public-bounces@<wbr class="">cabforum.org</a>]
<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Erwann Abalea<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Friday, August 26, 2016 1:47 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> Moudrick M. Dadashov <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:md@ssc.lt" target="_blank" class="">md@ssc.lt</a>><br class="">
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<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] givenName and surname revived</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> - EN 319412-4 asks you to follow CABF BR or EVG, which don’t prevent you from adding other attributes or extensions</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> - add a QCStatements extension containing the qcStatement-2 QC-STATEMENT (as defined in RFC3739), and populate the semanticsIdentifier element with the id-etsi-qcs-SemanticsId-Legal OID</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Same goes for a certificate issued to a natural person, just use the serialNumber attribute instead of the organizationIdentifier, fill it according to EN 319412-1 section 5.1.3, use id-etsi-qcs-SemanticsId-<wbr class="">Natural OID as
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class="">‘certificate for website authentication’ means an attestation that makes it possible to authenticate a
website and links the website to the natural or legal person to whom the certificate is issued;</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;background:white" class="">Thanks,</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><br class="">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">But givenName and surname are not sufficient to specify an identity. How many Robert Smiths exist in UK/US/CA ? (or Mario Rossi in Italy, as
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">If I would like to know who's behind a web site whose SSL cert contains giveName=John, surname=Doe, I am none the wiser.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""></span></p>
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span class=""> </span>Monday, August 22, 2016 6:16 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class=""> </span>Bruce Morton<span class=""> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:#954f72" class=""><Bruce.Morton@entrust.<wbr class="">com></span></a>;<span class=""> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:#954f72" class="">public@cabforum.org</span></a><br class="">
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7.1.6.1 states “<span class=""> </span>{joint‐iso‐itu‐t(2) international‐organizations(<wbr class="">23) ca‐browser‐forum(140) certificate‐policies(1) baseline‐requirements(2) individual‐validated(3)} (2.23.140.1.2.3), if the Certificate complies with these
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span class=""> </span>Monday, August 22, 2016 6:11 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class=""> </span>Jeremy Rowley <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jeremy.rowley@digicert.com" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:#954f72" class="">jeremy.rowley@digicert.com</span></a>>;<span class=""> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:#954f72" class=""><wbr class="">public@cabforum.org</span></a><br class="">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">My apologies, but can you clarify the section where IV certs are well defined? I see that “individual-validated” is stated twice
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span class=""> </span>Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:41 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class=""> </span>Bruce Morton <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:#954f72" class="">Bruce.Morton@entrust.com</span></a>>;<span class=""> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:#954f72" class="">pu<wbr class="">blic@cabforum.org</span></a><br class="">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">Hey Bruce – IV certs are well defined. The goal of the ballot isn’t to further define IV certs but to permit use of the givenName and surname
fields for IV certs. giveName and surname in the org field would be allowed. They’d still use the IV OIDs as they were validated under the IV section of the CP.</span></p>
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span class=""> </span>Friday, August 19, 2016 6:41 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class=""> </span>Jeremy Rowley <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jeremy.rowley@digicert.com" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:#954f72" class="">jeremy.rowley@digicert.com</span></a>>;<span class=""> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:#954f72" class=""><wbr class="">public@cabforum.org</span></a><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span class=""> </span>RE: givenName and surname revived</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">Hi Jeremy,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">Would like some clarification. On the call yesterday, it was said that IV certificates were not defined, so this ballot will
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">Per 7.1.4.2.2 b, the current BRs allow givenName and surname to be included in the organizationName field. Will this still be
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">If we do make the changes and the CAs have to meet Microsoft’s requirement to put a DV, OV, or IV certificate policy in the
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">Also, the stateOrProvinceName field appears to currently have an issue as it does not have any language to address the case
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">Thanks, Bruce.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">From:</span></b><span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:#954f72" class="">public-bounces@cabforum.<wbr class="">org</span></a><span class=""> </span>[<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:#954f72" class="">mailto:public-bounces@<wbr class="">cabforum.org</span></a>]<span class=""> </span><b class="">On
Behalf Of<span class=""> </span></b>Jeremy Rowley<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span class=""> </span>Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:09 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class=""> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:#954f72" class="">public@cabforum.org</span></a><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span class=""> </span>[cabfpub] givenName and surname revived</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">Looking for two endorsers for the following revisions the baseline requirements adding support for givenName and surname:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">Insert a new (C) under 7.1.4.2.2, renumbering all subsequent bullets.<span class=""> </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><u class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">c.<span class=""> </span><b class="">Certificate Field</b>: subject:givenName (2.5.4.42) and subject:surname (2.5.4.4)</span></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b class=""><u class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">Optional.<span class=""> </span></span></u></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b class=""><u class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">Contents: </span></u></b><u class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">If
present, the subject:givenName field and subject:surname field MUST contain an natural person Subject’s name as verified under Section 3.2.3. A Certificate containing a subject:givenName field or subject:surname field MUST contain the (2.23.140.1.2.3) Certificate
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><u class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">d.</span></u><span class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">Certificate
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""> Optional if the subject:organizationName field<u class="">, subject: givenName field, or subject:surname field are</u><s class="">is</s><span class=""> </span>present.
Prohibited if the subject:organizationName field<u class="">, subject:givenName, and subject:surname field are</u><span class=""><s class=""> </s></span><s class="">is</s><span class=""> </span>absent.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""> Contents: If present, the subject:streetAddress field MUST contain the Subject’s street address information as verified under Section 3.2.2.1.<span class=""> </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><u class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">e</span></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">. Certificate Field: subject:localityName
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">Required if the subject:organizationName field,<span class=""> </span><u class="">subject:givenName field, or subject:surname field are</u><span class=""> </span><s class="">is</s>present
and the subject:stateOrProvinceName field is absent. Optional if the<u class="">subject:stateOrProvinceName field and the subject:organizationName field, subject:givenName field, or subject:surname </u>field are present. Prohibited if the subject:organizationName
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">Contents: If present, the subject:localityName field MUST contain the Subject’s locality information as verified under Section 3.2.2.1. If
the subject:countryName field specifies the ISO 3166‐1 user‐assigned code of XX in accordance with Section 7.1.4.2.2(g), the localityName field MAY contain the Subject’s locality and/or state or province information as verified under Section 3.2.2.1.<span class=""> </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">Required if the subject:organizationName field field,<span class=""> </span><u class="">subject:givenName field, or subject:surname field
are</u><span class=""> </span><s class="">is<span class=""> </span></s>present and<span class=""> </span><u class="">the<span class=""> </span></u>subject:localityName field is absent. Optional if the<span class=""> </span><u class="">subject:localityName
field and the subject:organizationName field, the subject:givenName field, or subject:surname field</u><span class=""> </span>are present. Prohibited if the subject:organizationName field,<span class=""> </span><u class="">subject:givenName field , or subject:surname
field<span class=""> </span></u>are<span class=""><s class=""> </s></span><s class="">is</s>absent. Contents: If present, the subject:stateOrProvinceName field MUST contain the Subject’s state or province information as verified under Section 3.2.2.1. If the
subject:countryName field specifies the ISO 3166‐1 user‐assigned code of XX in accordance with Section 7.1.4.2.2(g), the subject:stateOrProvinceName field MAY contain the full name of the Subject’s country information as verified under Section 3.2.2.1.</span></p>
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Prohibited if the subject:organizationName field,<span class=""> </span><u class="">subject:givenName field, or subject:surname field are<span class=""> </span></u><s class="">is</s><span class=""> </span>absent.<span class=""> </span></span></p>
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with the location of the Subject verified under Section 3.2.2.1. If the subject:organizationName,<span class=""> </span><u class="">subj<wbr class="">ect:givenName field, and subject:surname</u><span class=""> </span> field<span class=""> </span><u class="">are</u><span class=""> </span><s class=""> is<span class=""><wbr class=""> </span></s>absent,
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implement a process that prevents an OU attribute from including a name, DBA, tradename, trademark, address, location, or other text that refers to a specific natural person or Legal Entity unless the CA has verified this information in accordance with Section
3.2 and the Certificate also contains subject:organizationName,<span class=""> </span><u class="">subj<wbr class="">ect:givenName, subject:surname,<span class=""> </span></u>subject:<wbr class="">localityName, and subject:countryName attributes, also verified
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