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    <p>Right, the question is whether the Subject field value, presented
      in accordance with id-etsi-qcs-SemanticsId, remains BR/EVG
      compliant.</p>
    Thanks,<br>
    M.D.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/29/2016 10:10 PM, Erwann Abalea
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CA+i=0E4aC1PPvPz3TKqXFbs7H5dKJbvC1hjDShHc1pKdW+1KWg@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">(sent from home, this will not go to public, unless
        you forward it)
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>It depends.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>If the QCStatement extension declares the
          id-etsi-qcs-SemanticsId-Natural semantics identifier, then
          yes, the serialNumber will contain the passport number, IDcard
          number, or other (there's a list in EN 319412-1). The data
          contained in this attribute is structured. For example, for
          me, this serialNumber will be "PASFR-07CL42154" if I present
          my french passport. This information is not sensitive.<br>
          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
          </div>
          <div class="gmail_extra">If there's no semantics identifier
            declared in the QCStatements extension, or if this extension
            is missing, the serialNumber is local to the CA. And of
            course, a relying party would have to ask the CA to point to
            the right "Robert Smith" individual.</div>
          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
          </div>
          <div class="gmail_extra">That doesn't fit well with web server
            certificates... Even if the serialNumber contains a global
            identifier (such as passport), the probability that as a
            user I can compare the passport number found in the
            certificate to the real passport number of Robert Smith is
            hardly higher than zero.</div>
          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">2016-08-29 20:36 GMT+02:00 Kirk
              Hall <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:Kirk.Hall@entrust.com" target="_blank">Kirk.Hall@entrust.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Erwann,
                        you mention the serialNumber attribute for a
                        natural person – I assume this is not a Social
                        Security number or other sensitive information? 
                      </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">But
                        if each CA assigns its own serialNumber for the
                        same (or different) “Robert Smith,” I don’t see
                        how a user can figure out which Robert Smith it
                        is dealing with…</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                              target="_blank">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>
                            [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                              target="_blank">public-bounces@<wbr>cabforum.org</a>]
                            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Erwann Abalea<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 26, 2016 1:47 AM<br>
                            <b>To:</b> Moudrick M. Dadashov <<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:md@ssc.lt" target="_blank">md@ssc.lt</a>><br>
                            <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"
                              target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] givenName and
                            surname revived</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">That’s easily done for a
                        certificate issued to a legal person if you
                        really need it:</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> - EN 319412-4 asks you to
                        follow CABF BR or EVG, which don’t prevent you
                        from adding other attributes or extensions</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> - add the
                        organizationIdentifier attribute formatted as
                        described in EN 319412-1 section 5.1.4</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> - add a QCStatements
                        extension containing the qcStatement-2
                        QC-STATEMENT (as defined in RFC3739), and
                        populate the semanticsIdentifier element with
                        the id-etsi-qcs-SemanticsId-Legal OID</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Same goes for a certificate
                        issued to a natural person, just use the
                        serialNumber attribute instead of the
                        organizationIdentifier, fill it according to EN
                        319412-1 section 5.1.3, use
                        id-etsi-qcs-SemanticsId-<wbr>Natural OID as the
                        semantics identifier.</p>
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                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Of course, you’re not
                        REQUIRED to produce eIDAS compliant
                        certificates.</p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Cordialement,</p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Erwann Abalea</p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                      <blockquote
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Le 24 août 2016 à 15:05,
                            Moudrick M. Dadashov <<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:md@ssc.lt" target="_blank">md@ssc.lt</a>>
                            a écrit :</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
                            <span
                              style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">eIDAS
                              Article 3 (38):</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="background:white;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
                            <span
                              style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">‘certificate
                              for website authentication’ means an
                              attestation that makes it possible to
                              authenticate a website and links the
                              website to the natural or legal person to
                              whom the certificate is issued;</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;background:white">Thanks,</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
                              <span style="background:white">M.D.</span><br
style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px">
                              <br>
                            </span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">On
                                8/24/2016 1:08 PM, Adriano Santoni
                                wrote:</span></p>
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                              <span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">But
                                givenName and surname are not sufficient
                                to specify an identity. How many Robert
                                Smiths exist in UK/US/CA ? (or Mario
                                Rossi in Italy, as to that).</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white">
                              <span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If
                                I would like to know who's behind a web
                                site whose SSL cert contains
                                giveName=John, surname=Doe, I am none
                                the wiser.</span><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> </span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Il
                                  23/08/2016 20:02, Bruce Morton ha
                                  scritto:</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">OK,
                                    thanks.</span><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Bruce.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jeremy
                                        Rowley [<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:jeremy.rowley@digicert.com"
                                          target="_blank"><span
                                            style="color:#954f72">mailto:jeremy.rowley@<wbr>digicert.com</span></a>]<span> </span><br>
                                        <b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday,
                                        August 22, 2016 6:16 PM<br>
                                        <b>To:</b><span> </span>Bruce
                                        Morton<span> </span><a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com"
                                          target="_blank"><span
                                            style="color:#954f72"><Bruce.Morton@entrust.<wbr>com></span></a>;<span> </span><a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"
                                          target="_blank"><span
                                            style="color:#954f72">public@cabforum.org</span></a><br>
                                        <b>Subject:</b><span> </span>RE:
                                        givenName and surname revived</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What
                                    do you mean by definition? I
                                    consider IV v. OV well defined
                                    because of the meaning associated
                                    with the OID inserted into the cert.
                                    Section 7.1.6.1 states “<span> </span>{joint‐iso‐itu‐t(2)
                                    international‐organizations(<wbr>23)
                                    ca‐browser‐forum(140)
                                    certificate‐policies(1)
                                    baseline‐requirements(2)
                                    individual‐validated(3)}
                                    (2.23.140.1.2.3), if the Certificate
                                    complies with these Requirements and
                                    includes Subject Identity
                                    Information that is verified in
                                    accordance with Section 3.2.3.”
                                    Section 3.2.3 is verification of an
                                    individual whereas Section 3.2.2 is
                                    verification of an organization.  </span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jeremy</span></p>
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                                  style="background:white"><a
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                                    name="m_-5588693150224251403__MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></a><span
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Bruce
                                        Morton [<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com"
                                          target="_blank"><span
                                            style="color:#954f72">mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.<wbr>com</span></a>]<span> </span><br>
                                        <b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday,
                                        August 22, 2016 6:11 AM<br>
                                        <b>To:</b><span> </span>Jeremy
                                        Rowley <<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:jeremy.rowley@digicert.com"
                                          target="_blank"><span
                                            style="color:#954f72">jeremy.rowley@digicert.com</span></a>>;<span> </span><a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"
                                          target="_blank"><span
                                            style="color:#954f72"><wbr>public@cabforum.org</span></a><br>
                                        <b>Subject:</b><span> </span>RE:
                                        givenName and surname revived</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Hi
                                    Jeremy,</span><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">My
                                    apologies, but can you clarify the
                                    section where IV certs are well
                                    defined? I see that
                                    “individual-validated” is stated
                                    twice in sections 1.2 and 7.1.6.1
                                    (the same for domain-validated and
                                    organization-validated), but I can’t
                                    find the definition.</span><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks,
                                    Bruce.</span><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jeremy
                                        Rowley [<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:jeremy.rowley@digicert.com"
                                          target="_blank"><span
                                            style="color:#954f72">mailto:jeremy.rowley@<wbr>digicert.com</span></a>]<span> </span><br>
                                        <b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Saturday,
                                        August 20, 2016 10:41 AM<br>
                                        <b>To:</b><span> </span>Bruce
                                        Morton <<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com"
                                          target="_blank"><span
                                            style="color:#954f72">Bruce.Morton@entrust.com</span></a>>;<span> </span><a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"
                                          target="_blank"><span
                                            style="color:#954f72">pu<wbr>blic@cabforum.org</span></a><br>
                                        <b>Subject:</b><span> </span>RE:
                                        givenName and surname revived</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hey
                                    Bruce – IV certs are well defined.
                                    The goal of the ballot isn’t to
                                    further define IV certs but to
                                    permit use of the givenName and
                                    surname fields for IV certs.
                                    giveName and surname in the org
                                    field would be allowed. They’d still
                                    use the IV OIDs as they were
                                    validated under the IV section of
                                    the CP.</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="border:none;border-top:solid
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                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Bruce
                                        Morton [<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com"
                                          target="_blank"><span
                                            style="color:#954f72">mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.<wbr>com</span></a>]<span> </span><br>
                                        <b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Friday,
                                        August 19, 2016 6:41 AM<br>
                                        <b>To:</b><span> </span>Jeremy
                                        Rowley <<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:jeremy.rowley@digicert.com"
                                          target="_blank"><span
                                            style="color:#954f72">jeremy.rowley@digicert.com</span></a>>;<span> </span><a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"
                                          target="_blank"><span
                                            style="color:#954f72"><wbr>public@cabforum.org</span></a><br>
                                        <b>Subject:</b><span> </span>RE:
                                        givenName and surname revived</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Hi
                                    Jeremy,</span><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Would
                                    like some clarification. On the call
                                    yesterday, it was said that IV
                                    certificates were not defined, so
                                    this ballot will help resolve this.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Per
                                    7.1.4.2.2 b, the current BRs allow
                                    givenName and surname to be included
                                    in the organizationName field. Will
                                    this still be allowed? If so, what
                                    would the certificate type be? OV or
                                    IV? I would prefer that these be OV
                                    certificates.</span><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">If
                                    we do make the changes and the CAs
                                    have to meet Microsoft’s requirement
                                    to put a DV, OV, or IV certificate
                                    policy in the certificate, I think
                                    we should clearly define each
                                    certificate type.</span><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Also,
                                    the stateOrProvinceName field
                                    appears to currently have an issue
                                    as it does not have any language to
                                    address the case where there is no
                                    state or province in the address.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks,
                                    Bruce.</span><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="border:none;border-top:solid
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                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                                          target="_blank"><span
                                            style="color:#954f72">public-bounces@cabforum.<wbr>org</span></a><span> </span>[<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                                          target="_blank"><span
                                            style="color:#954f72">mailto:public-bounces@<wbr>cabforum.org</span></a>]<span> </span><b>On
                                          Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Jeremy
                                        Rowley<br>
                                        <b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Thursday,
                                        August 18, 2016 12:09 PM<br>
                                        <b>To:</b><span> </span><a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"
                                          target="_blank"><span
                                            style="color:#954f72">public@cabforum.org</span></a><br>
                                        <b>Subject:</b><span> </span>[cabfpub]
                                        givenName and surname revived</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Looking
                                    for two endorsers for the following
                                    revisions the baseline requirements
                                    adding support for givenName and
                                    surname:</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Insert
                                    a new (C) under 7.1.4.2.2,
                                    renumbering all subsequent bullets.<span> </span></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><u><span
                                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">c.<span> </span><b>Certificate
                                        Field</b>: subject:givenName
                                      (2.5.4.42) and subject:surname
                                      (2.5.4.4)</span></u><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><b><u><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Optional.<span> </span></span></u></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><b><u><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Contents:
                                         </span></u></b><u><span
                                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If
                                      present, the subject:givenName
                                      field and subject:surname field
                                      MUST contain an natural person
                                      Subject’s name as verified under
                                      Section 3.2.3. A Certificate
                                      containing a subject:givenName
                                      field or subject:surname field
                                      MUST contain the (2.23.140.1.2.3)
                                      Certificate Policy OID</span></u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">.</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><u><span
                                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">d.</span></u><span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Certificate
                                    Field: Number and street:
                                    subject:streetAddress (OID: 2.5.4.9)<span> </span></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">    Optional
                                    if the subject:organizationName
                                    field<u>, subject: givenName field,
                                      or subject:surname field are</u><s>is</s><span> </span>present.
                                    Prohibited if the
                                    subject:organizationName field<u>,
                                      subject:givenName, and
                                      subject:surname field are</u><span><s> </s></span><s>is</s><span> </span>absent.</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">  
                                    Contents: If present, the
                                    subject:streetAddress field MUST
                                    contain the Subject’s street address
                                    information as verified under
                                    Section 3.2.2.1.<span> </span></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><u><span
                                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">e</span></u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">.
                                    Certificate Field:
                                    subject:localityName (OID: 2.5.4.7)<span> </span></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Required
                                    if the subject:organizationName
                                    field,<span> </span><u>subject:givenName
                                      field, or subject:surname field
                                      are</u><span> </span><s>is</s>present
                                    and the subject:stateOrProvinceName
                                    field is absent. Optional if the<u>subject:stateOrProvinceName
                                      field and the
                                      subject:organizationName field,
                                      subject:givenName field, or
                                      subject:surname  </u>field are
                                    present. Prohibited if the
                                    subject:organizationName field,<span> </span><u>subject:givenName,
                                      and subject:surname field are<span> </span></u><s>is</s><span> </span>absent.<span> </span></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Contents:
                                    If present, the subject:localityName
                                    field MUST contain the Subject’s
                                    locality information as verified
                                    under Section 3.2.2.1. If the
                                    subject:countryName field specifies
                                    the ISO 3166‐1 user‐assigned code of
                                    XX in accordance with Section
                                    7.1.4.2.2(g), the localityName field
                                    MAY contain the Subject’s locality
                                    and/or state or province information
                                    as verified under Section 3.2.2.1.<span> </span></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><u><span
                                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">f</span></u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">.
                                    Certificate Field:
                                    subject:stateOrProvinceName (OID:
                                    2.5.4.8)<span> </span></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Required
                                    if the subject:organizationName
                                    field field,<span> </span><u>subject:givenName
                                      field, or subject:surname field
                                      are</u><span> </span><s>is<span> </span></s>present
                                    and<span> </span><u>the<span> </span></u>subject:localityName
                                    field is absent. Optional if the<span> </span><u>subject:localityName
                                      field and the
                                      subject:organizationName field,
                                      the subject:givenName field, or
                                      subject:surname field</u><span> </span>are
                                    present. Prohibited if the
                                    subject:organizationName field,<span> </span><u>subject:givenName
                                      field , or subject:surname field<span> </span></u>are<span><s> </s></span><s>is</s>absent.
                                    Contents: If present, the
                                    subject:stateOrProvinceName field
                                    MUST contain the Subject’s state or
                                    province information as verified
                                    under Section 3.2.2.1. If the
                                    subject:countryName field specifies
                                    the ISO 3166‐1 user‐assigned code of
                                    XX in accordance with Section
                                    7.1.4.2.2(g), the
                                    subject:stateOrProvinceName field
                                    MAY contain the full name of the
                                    Subject’s country information as
                                    verified under Section 3.2.2.1.</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><u><span
                                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">g</span></u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">.
                                    Certificate Field:
                                    subject:postalCode (OID: 2.5.4.17)</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Optional
                                    if the subject:organizationName,<span> </span><u>subj<wbr>ect:givenName
                                      field, or subject:surname</u><span> </span>fields<span> </span><u>are</u><span> </span><s>is</s>p<wbr>resent.
                                    Prohibited if the
                                    subject:organizationName field,<span> </span><u>subject:givenName
                                      field, or subject:surname field
                                      are<span> </span></u><s>is</s><span> </span>absent.<span> </span></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Contents:
                                    If present, the subject:postalCode
                                    field MUST contain the Subject’s zip
                                    or postal information as verified
                                    under Section 3.2.2.1.<span> </span></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><u><span
                                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">h</span></u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">.
                                    Certificate Field:
                                    subject:countryName (OID: 2.5.4.6)<span> </span></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Required
                                    if the subject:organizationName
                                    field,<span> </span><u>subject:givenName
                                      , or subject:surname field</u><span> </span>is
                                    present. Optional if the
                                    subject:organizationName field,<span> </span><u>subject:givenName
                                      field</u>, and  <u>subject:surname
                                      field are</u><span> </span><s>is</s>absent.<span> </span></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Contents:
                                    If the subject:organizationName
                                    field is present, the
                                    subject:countryName MUST contain the
                                    two‐letter ISO 3166‐1 country code
                                    associated with the location of the
                                    Subject verified under Section
                                    3.2.2.1. If the
                                    subject:organizationName,<span> </span><u>subj<wbr>ect:givenName
                                      field, and subject:surname</u><span> </span> field<span> </span><u>are</u><span> </span><s> is<span><wbr> </span></s>absent,
                                    the subject:countryName field MAY
                                    contain the two‐letter ISO 3166‐1
                                    country code associated with the
                                    Subject as verified in accordance
                                    with Section 3.2.2.3. If a Country
                                    is not represented by an official
                                    ISO 3166‐1 country code, the CA MAY
                                    specify the ISO 3166‐1 user‐assigned
                                    code of XX indicating that an
                                    official ISO 3166‐1 alpha‐2 code has
                                    not been assigned.</span></p>
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                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><u><span
                                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">i</span></u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">.
                                    Certificate Field:
                                    subject:organizationalUnitName<span><wbr> </span></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Optional.<span> </span></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><u><span
                                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Contents:<span> </span></span></u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
                                    CA SHALL implement a process that
                                    prevents an OU attribute from
                                    including a name, DBA, tradename,
                                    trademark, address, location, or
                                    other text that refers to a specific
                                    natural person or Legal Entity
                                    unless the CA has verified this
                                    information in accordance with
                                    Section 3.2 and the Certificate also
                                    contains subject:organizationName,<span> </span><u>subj<wbr>ect:givenName,
                                      subject:surname,<span> </span></u>subject:<wbr>localityName,
                                    and subject:countryName attributes,
                                    also verified in accordance with
                                    Section 3.2.2.1.</span></p>
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                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">7.1.6.1</span></p>
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                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">…</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If
                                    the Certificate asserts the policy
                                    identifier of 2.23.140.1.2.1, then
                                    it MUST NOT include
                                    organizationName,<span> </span><u>givenName,
                                      surname,</u><span> </span>streetAddress,
                                    localityName, stateOrProvinceName,
                                    or postalCode in the Subject field.</span></p>
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                                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">…</span></p>
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