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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Any suggestions? The Governance Reform Working Group meets again next Tuesday.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><b><span style='color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='color:windowtext'> public-bounces@cabforum.org [mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ben Wilson<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> CABFPub <public@cabforum.org><br><b>Subject:</b> [cabfpub] Governance Reform Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><b>The following was discussed during last week’s and today’s Governance Reform Working Group meetings:<o:p></o:p></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><b>DRAFT - FOR DISCUSSION ONLY</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>1. The Forum would amend the Bylaws to create three working groups (including detailed statement of scope, deliverables, and expiration date, if any):<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;line-height:normal;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>●<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>Web Working Group (basically the work of the Forum today – TLS certificates on the Web and the Chair of the Forum would be chair of the Web Working Group--open for discussion)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;line-height:normal;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>●<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>Code Signing Working Group<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;line-height:normal;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>●<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>S/MIME Working Group<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>All substantive work of the Forum would occur in these Working Groups, and not at the Forum level. (See Item 3 below for an explanation of how we would move to a working-group-membership model for the IPR policy.)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>At this time, we would not include any specific process in the Bylaws for creating additional working groups in the future. Instead, new working groups in the future would be created by ballot amending the Bylaws. And if a working group is not behaving according to its charter, an amendment to the bylaws would be used to disband or recharter the working group. Subcommittees could be created to work on miscellaneous tasks and items not appropriate for Working Groups.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>Working Groups would have the authority to draft and finally adopt by Working Group ballot all guidelines within the Working Group scope, and Working Group guidelines would not have to be re-adopted or approved at the Forum level. [Note for further discussion: All Working Groups will have to comply with applicable law, e.g. antitrust, etc., but do we want to set forth guidelines or parts of the guidelines/requirements that are applicable to all working groups? Long-term, maybe yes, but maybe not in this round of bylaw changes.]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>2. The Bylaws would define for each Working Group who could participate as a Working Group Member. This would include all CAs and other parties with (to be defined) “skin in the game” as either producers or consumers of the product (or that use certificates of the type) that is the subject of the Working Group’s work. For example, for the Code Signing Working Group, Adobe and Oracle could join as members, and for the S/MIME Working Group, RedHat/Linux, Blackberry, Evolution, and Federal PKI could join as voting members of the working group. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>For the time being, we would make no change in the Bylaws concerning Interested Parties, which means that anyone in the world willing to sign the IPR agreement could participate on a Working Group (whether or not the person has skin in the game). However, while Interested Parties could post to the Working Group list-serv and participate on conference calls, they could not vote or participate at the Forum level (see 4. below). <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>3. We would amend our current IPR policy so it applies only to participation in a particular Working Group and its product, and does not apply to a member who does not participate on a particular Working Group. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>We would need to define “participation” clearly, but it would start with those members (and Interested Parties) who sign up for a particular Working Group. There will be a master membership sign-up list, and roll will be taken at the beginning of (and updated during) each call. We will not permit input from Forum members who have not signed up for a particular Working Group – meaning that the member could not submit ideas or comments to a Working Group until the member signs up as a participant of the Working Group and becomes subject to the IPR for that Working Group.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>So, for example, a member of the Web Working Group would be subject to the current IPR obligations for Essential Claims related to any Final Guidelines or Final Maintenance Guidelines generated by the Web Working Group, but would not be subject to any IPR obligations for Essential Claims related to any Final Guidelines or Final Maintenance Guidelines generated by the Code Signing Working Group if the member did not participate in that Working Group by signing up to that group. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>[Discussion Notes: Could members in one WG (Web/TLS) sue members in another WG (Code Signing) for patent infringement? W3C has an across-the-board RF patent license for essential claims, in addition to the WG participation-based patent license. How can we make this part of the IPR policy more protective against infringement suits by non-participants. Would section 5.1g. of the IPR Policy need to be amended? Virginia will draft some language to review.] <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>All Working Groups would have the same IPR policy, which would be maintained by the Forum itself and continue with its current a royalty-free policy.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>4. The Forum itself (the “parent” organization, which is where adoption of all Final Guidelines occurs today) would take on a smaller role, limiting its work to the following:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;line-height:normal;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>●<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>Amending the Bylaws (including amendments to create new Working Groups as needed)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;line-height:normal;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>●<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>Resolving any conflicts among the Working Groups<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;line-height:normal;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>●<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>Adoption and maintenance of a common IPR policy, and maintaining records of participation (i.e., tracking members who have joined particular Working Groups), sending and tracking IP exclusion notices, etc. for the Working Groups<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;line-height:normal;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>●<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>Handling logistics of face-to-face meetings<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;line-height:normal;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>●<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>Implementing Working Group membership rules and deciding on acceptance of new members based on specific criteria<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto;text-indent:-.25in;line-height:normal;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>●<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>Election of officers<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>However, the Forum itself would not adopt any guidelines or requirements, and no work at the Forum level would ever come under the IPR policy. All members at the Working Group level (CAs, browsers, and other members, but not Interested Parties) would automatically be voting members at the Forum level as well.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>5. Voting rules would be uniform at the Working Group and Forum level, and would be essentially the same as today. At the Working Group level, guidelines would be adopted upon approval of 2/3 of CA members and a majority of non-CA members (e.g. browsers, software application suppliers – see 2 above). At the Forum level, most actions such as amendment of the Bylaws (including creation of new Working Groups) would require approval of 2/3 of CA members and a majority of non-CA members (browsers, software application suppliers, and other non-CA voting members, in the aggregate).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>6. We discussed whether to create a new channel for input by the public (those who do not want to sign the IPR agreement and become Interested Parties), such as a new list-serv with a click-through agreement that all IP included in a posting is being contributed to the public domain, similar to the W3C model. However, at this point the consensus was that a new channel is not needed, and those who want to participate should sign the IPR agreement and become Interested Parties.<a name=h.e50p9dfl7b88></a><a name=h.vz5mt3p7ni4h></a><a name=h.kpt0gxawo22p></a><a name=h.aixsemattuc3></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><a name=h.gjdgxs></a><b>DRAFT - FOR DISCUSSION ONLY</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>