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    <p><font face="Calibri">You are right: the ambiguity is also present
        in the OV case, and I think it would be better to reduce it,
        somehow, for both OV and IV certs, while keeping the difference
        from EV certs.<br>
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    <p><font face="Calibri">There can exist two or more John Smiths in
        the same city, or maybe even a dozen, each one owning a different
        domain, and it would be bad (to me) if they were to be issued IV
        certs that look identical in their Subject DNs. I suppose this
        is already happening. And the same holds for OV certs, I am
        perfectly aware. We are a small CA and have not been facing this
        kind of situation so far .... but if it was to occur to us, we
        would not issue certs with identical Subject DNs, </font><font
        face="Calibri"><font face="Calibri">even if allowed by the BRs.
        </font>That would be "wrong", IMO. We would forcedly introduce
        some disambiguating attribute in the 2nd Subject DN (in
        compliance with the BRs), to differentiate them. This should be
        recommended or even mandated by the BRs.<br>
      </font></p>
    <p>I would like a requirement of this kind in the BRs: "the CA shall
      not issue certificates with identical subject DNs to different
      subscribers"... or something like that. Maybe this is already
      implied in the BRs, but I am not finding the paragraph
      corroborating it.</p>
    <p>Adriano<br>
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 24/08/2016 15:47, Erwann Abalea ha
      scritto:<br>
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      We’re in the review period, feel free to comment :)
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      <div class="">In my point of view, there’s a confusion here
        between an identity (givenName+surName) and an individual (a
        physical person).</div>
      <div class="">An identity can be claimed by several individuals,
        therefore it’s ambiguous. Likewise, an individual can have
        several identities, and these identities can change over the
        individual’s life.</div>
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      <div class="">BR only requires CAs to assert that an Applicant is
        right when claiming an identity and address. In the final
        certificate, you’ll only find the claimed identity and address,
        not the exact Applicant.</div>
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      <div class="">Looking at OV certificates, this ambiguity is
        already there. O can contain a company name or a brand name; a
        company name can be used by several distinct companies (even at
        the same place); a brand name registered under one jurisdiction
        belongs to a single company, but the same brand name can be
        registered in different jurisdictions and can also be used by
        different companies (with agreements). Identity and address
        verification can be performed using different documents, adding
        another layer of flexibility/complexity.</div>
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      </div>
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        <div class="">
          <div class="">Cordialement,</div>
          <div class="">Erwann Abalea</div>
        </div>
        <br class="">
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            <div class="">Le 24 août 2016 à 14:10, Adriano Santoni <<a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:adriano.santoni@staff.aruba.it" class="">adriano.santoni@staff.aruba.it</a>>
              a écrit :</div>
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                <p class=""><font class="" face="Calibri">Pardon me for
                    commenting on this topic when the ballot was already
                    initiated.<br class="">
                  </font></p>
                <p class=""><font class="" face="Calibri">However, I was
                    not implying that the BRs currently require extra
                    attributes</font><font class="" face="Calibri"> in
                    the Subject DN, nor am I proposing to modify the BRs
                    at this stage.<br class="">
                  </font></p>
                <p class=""><font class="" face="Calibri">I was just
                    arguing that givenName+surname is too vague as an
                    identity, IMO, even if referred to a specific
                    country and locality.
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                  </font></p>
                <p class=""><font class="" face="Calibri">That is, it
                    does not seem to me an effective "equivalent" of the
                    organizationName that is requested for OV certs.<br
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                  </font></p>
                <p class=""><font class="" face="Calibri">I know that
                    the BRs have been that way for long, so I am aware
                    that my is a bit untimely.<br class="">
                  </font></p>
                <br class="">
                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 24/08/2016 13:07, Erwann
                  Abalea ha scritto:<br class="">
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                  <div class="">Bonjour,</div>
                  <div class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div class="">givenName and surName are sufficient to
                    specify an identity. More than one person may share
                    this identity, but to me, BR don’t tend to
                    distinguish them. There’s nothing in BR requiring
                    CAs to generate certificates with canonical and
                    non-ambiguous names. The non-ambiguity goal is
                    achieved by following EVG only.</div>
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                  </div>
                  <div class="">Given your example IV certificate,
                    you’ll have givenName=John, surName=Doe, and also a
                    country and either a localityName or a
                    stateOrProvinceName. So you’ll know that this
                    website belongs to someone named John Doe living in
                    a specific city or state in this country, but
                    nothing more.</div>
                  <div class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                  <div class="">If you want to follow ETSI 319412-1
                    rules and insert a serialNumber attribute to avoid
                    name collisions, feel free, it’s not forbidden.</div>
                  <br class="">
                  <div class="">
                    <div class="">Cordialement,</div>
                    <div class="">Erwann Abalea</div>
                  </div>
                  <br class="">
                  <div class="">
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                      <div class="">Le 24 août 2016 à 12:08, Adriano
                        Santoni <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:adriano.santoni@staff.aruba.it"
                          class="">adriano.santoni@staff.aruba.it</a>>
                        a écrit :</div>
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                          <font class="" face="Calibri">But givenName
                            and surname are not sufficient to specify an
                            identity. How many Robert Smiths exist in
                            UK/US/CA ? (or Mario Rossi in Italy, as to
                            that).<br class="">
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                          <font class="" face="Calibri">If I would like
                            to know who's behind a web site whose SSL
                            cert contains giveName=John, surname=Doe, I
                            am none the wiser.<br class="">
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                          Il 23/08/2016 20:02, Bruce Morton ha scritto:<br
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                                class="">OK, thanks.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                class="">Bruce.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                  <b class="">From:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jeremy
                                  Rowley [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                    href="mailto:jeremy.rowley@digicert.com"
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                                    text-decoration: underline;">mailto:jeremy.rowley@digicert.com</a>]<span
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                                  <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
                                  August 22, 2016 6:16 PM<br class="">
                                  <b class="">To:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bruce
                                  Morton<span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                    href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com"
                                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
                                    text-decoration: underline;"><Bruce.Morton@entrust.com></a>;<span
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                                    href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"
                                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
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                                  <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE:
                                  givenName and surname revived<o:p
                                    class=""></o:p></div>
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                              <o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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                              <span class="">What do you mean by
                                definition? I consider IV v. OV well
                                defined because of the meaning
                                associated with the OID inserted into
                                the cert. Section 7.1.6.1 states “<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>{joint‐iso‐itu‐t(2)
                              international‐organizations(23)
                              ca‐browser‐forum(140)
                              certificate‐policies(1)
                              baseline‐requirements(2)
                              individual‐validated(3)} (2.23.140.1.2.3),
                              if the Certificate complies with these
                              Requirements and includes Subject Identity
                              Information that is verified in accordance
                              with Section 3.2.3.” Section 3.2.3 is
                              verification of an individual whereas
                              Section 3.2.2 is verification of an
                              organization.  <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                              Jeremy<span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                  <b class="">From:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bruce
                                  Morton [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com"
                                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
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                                    class="">mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com</a>]<span
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                                  <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
                                  August 22, 2016 6:11 AM<br class="">
                                  <b class="">To:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jeremy
                                  Rowley <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:jeremy.rowley@digicert.com"
                                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
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                                    class="">jeremy.rowley@digicert.com</a>>;<span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                                    class="">public@cabforum.org</a><br
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                                  <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE:
                                  givenName and surname revived<o:p
                                    class=""></o:p></div>
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                              <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"
                                class="">Hi Jeremy,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                              <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"
                                class="">My apologies, but can you
                                clarify the section where IV certs are
                                well defined? I see that
                                “individual-validated” is stated twice
                                in sections 1.2 and 7.1.6.1 (the same
                                for domain-validated and
                                organization-validated), but I can’t
                                find the definition.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                              <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"
                                class="">Thanks, Bruce.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                  <b class="">From:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jeremy
                                  Rowley [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:jeremy.rowley@digicert.com"
                                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
                                    text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class="">mailto:jeremy.rowley@digicert.com</a>]<span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                    class="">
                                  <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday,
                                  August 20, 2016 10:41 AM<br class="">
                                  <b class="">To:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bruce
                                  Morton <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com"
                                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
                                    text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class="">Bruce.Morton@entrust.com</a>>;<span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"
                                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
                                    text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class="">public@cabforum.org</a><br
                                    class="">
                                  <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE:
                                  givenName and surname revived<o:p
                                    class=""></o:p></div>
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                              <o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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                              <span class="">Hey Bruce – IV certs are
                                well defined. The goal of the ballot
                                isn’t to further define IV certs but to
                                permit use of the givenName and surname
                                fields for IV certs. giveName and
                                surname in the org field would be
                                allowed. They’d still use the IV OIDs as
                                they were validated under the IV section
                                of the CP.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                              <span class=""> </span></div>
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                                  <b class="">From:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bruce
                                  Morton [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com"
                                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
                                    text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class="">mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com</a>]<span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                    class="">
                                  <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
                                  August 19, 2016 6:41 AM<br class="">
                                  <b class="">To:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jeremy
                                  Rowley <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:jeremy.rowley@digicert.com"
                                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
                                    text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class="">jeremy.rowley@digicert.com</a>>;<span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"
                                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
                                    text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class="">public@cabforum.org</a><br
                                    class="">
                                  <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE:
                                  givenName and surname revived<o:p
                                    class=""></o:p></div>
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                              <o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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                              <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"
                                class="">Hi Jeremy,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                              <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"
                                class=""> </span></div>
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                              <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"
                                class="">Would like some clarification.
                                On the call yesterday, it was said that
                                IV certificates were not defined, so
                                this ballot will help resolve this.<o:p
                                  class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                              <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"
                                class=""> </span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                              <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"
                                class="">Per 7.1.4.2.2 b, the current
                                BRs allow givenName and surname to be
                                included in the organizationName field.
                                Will this still be allowed? If so, what
                                would the certificate type be? OV or IV?
                                I would prefer that these be OV
                                certificates.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                              <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"
                                class=""> </span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                              <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"
                                class="">If we do make the changes and
                                the CAs have to meet Microsoft’s
                                requirement to put a DV, OV, or IV
                                certificate policy in the certificate, I
                                think we should clearly define each
                                certificate type.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                              <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"
                                class=""> </span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                              <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"
                                class="">Also, the stateOrProvinceName
                                field appears to currently have an issue
                                as it does not have any language to
                                address the case where there is no state
                                or province in the address.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                              <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"
                                class=""> </span></div>
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                              <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"
                                class="">Thanks, Bruce.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                class=""> </span></div>
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                                  <b class="">From:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
                                    text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class="">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
                                    text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class="">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>]<span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                    class="">On Behalf Of<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jeremy
                                  Rowley<br class="">
                                  <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday,
                                  August 18, 2016 12:09 PM<br class="">
                                  <b class="">To:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:public@cabforum.org"
                                    style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
                                    text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class="">public@cabforum.org</a><br
                                    class="">
                                  <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[cabfpub]
                                  givenName and surname revived<o:p
                                    class=""></o:p></div>
                              </div>
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                              <o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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                              Looking for two endorsers for the
                              following revisions the baseline
                              requirements adding support for givenName
                              and surname:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              <o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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                              Insert a new (C) under 7.1.4.2.2,
                              renumbering all subsequent bullets.<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              <o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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                              <u class="">c.<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                  class="">Certificate Field</b>:
                                subject:givenName (2.5.4.42) and
                                subject:surname (2.5.4.4)<o:p class=""></o:p></u></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              <b class=""><u class="">Optional.<span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                    class=""></o:p></u></b></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              <b class=""><u class="">Contents:  </u></b><u
                                class="">If present, the
                                subject:givenName field and
                                subject:surname field MUST contain an
                                natural person Subject’s name as
                                verified under Section 3.2.3. A
                                Certificate containing a
                                subject:givenName field or
                                subject:surname field MUST contain the
                                (2.23.140.1.2.3) Certificate Policy OID</u>.<u
                                class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></u></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              <o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                              <u class="">d.</u><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Certificate
                              Field: Number and street:
                              subject:streetAddress (OID: 2.5.4.9)<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                                  Optional if the
                              subject:organizationName field<u class="">,
                                subject: givenName field, or
                                subject:surname field are</u><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><s
                                class="">is</s>present. Prohibited if
                              the subject:organizationName field<u
                                class="">, subject:givenName, and
                                subject:surname field are</u><s class=""><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is</s><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>absent.<o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                              sans-serif;" class="">
                                <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Contents:
                              If present, the subject:streetAddress
                              field MUST contain the Subject’s street
                              address information as verified under
                              Section 3.2.2.1.<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              <o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              <u class="">e</u>. Certificate Field:
                              subject:localityName (OID: 2.5.4.7)<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              Required if the subject:organizationName
                              field,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u
                                class="">subject:givenName field, or
                                subject:surname field are</u><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><s
                                class="">is</s>present and the
                              subject:stateOrProvinceName field is
                              absent. Optional if the<u class="">subject:stateOrProvinceName
                                field and the subject:organizationName
                                field, subject:givenName field, or
                                subject:surname  </u>field are present.
                              Prohibited if the subject:organizationName
                              field,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u
                                class="">subject:givenName, and
                                subject:surname field are<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></u><s
                                class="">is</s><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>absent.<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              Contents: If present, the
                              subject:localityName field MUST contain
                              the Subject’s locality information as
                              verified under Section 3.2.2.1. If the
                              subject:countryName field specifies the
                              ISO 3166‐1 user‐assigned code of XX in
                              accordance with Section 7.1.4.2.2(g), the
                              localityName field MAY contain the
                              Subject’s locality and/or state or
                              province information as verified under
                              Section 3.2.2.1.<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              <o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              <u class="">f</u>. Certificate Field:
                              subject:stateOrProvinceName (OID: 2.5.4.8)<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              Required if the subject:organizationName
                              field field,<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u
                                class="">subject:givenName field, or
                                subject:surname field are</u><s class="">is<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></s>present
                              and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u
                                class="">the<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></u>subject:localityName
                              field is absent. Optional if the<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u
                                class="">subject:localityName field and
                                the subject:organizationName field, the
                                subject:givenName field, or
                                subject:surname field</u><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>are
                              present. Prohibited if the
                              subject:organizationName field,<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u
                                class="">subject:givenName field , or
                                subject:surname field<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></u>are<s
                                class=""><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is</s>absent.
                              Contents: If present, the
                              subject:stateOrProvinceName field MUST
                              contain the Subject’s state or province
                              information as verified under Section
                              3.2.2.1. If the subject:countryName field
                              specifies the ISO 3166‐1 user‐assigned
                              code of XX in accordance with Section
                              7.1.4.2.2(g), the
                              subject:stateOrProvinceName field MAY
                              contain the full name of the Subject’s
                              country information as verified under
                              Section 3.2.2.1.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              <o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              <u class="">g</u>. Certificate Field:
                              subject:postalCode (OID: 2.5.4.17)<o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              Optional if the subject:organizationName,<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u
                                class="">subject:givenName field, or
                                subject:surname</u><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>fields<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u
                                class="">are</u><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><s
                                class="">is</s>present. Prohibited if
                              the subject:organizationName field,<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u
                                class="">subject:givenName field, or
                                subject:surname field are<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></u><s
                                class="">is</s><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>absent.<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              Contents: If present, the
                              subject:postalCode field MUST contain the
                              Subject’s zip or postal information as
                              verified under Section 3.2.2.1.<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              <o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              <u class="">h</u>. Certificate Field:
                              subject:countryName (OID: 2.5.4.6)<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              Required if the subject:organizationName
                              field,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u
                                class="">subject:givenName , or
                                subject:surname field</u><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is
                              present. Optional if the
                              subject:organizationName field,<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u
                                class="">subject:givenName field</u>,
                              and  <u class="">subject:surname field are</u><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><s
                                class="">is</s>absent.<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              Contents: If the subject:organizationName
                              field is present, the subject:countryName
                              MUST contain the two‐letter ISO 3166‐1
                              country code associated with the location
                              of the Subject verified under Section
                              3.2.2.1. If the subject:organizationName,<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u
                                class="">subject:givenName field, and
                                subject:surname</u><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> field<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u
                                class="">are</u><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><s
                                class=""> is<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></s>absent,
                              the subject:countryName field MAY contain
                              the two‐letter ISO 3166‐1 country code
                              associated with the Subject as verified in
                              accordance with Section 3.2.2.3. If a
                              Country is not represented by an official
                              ISO 3166‐1 country code, the CA MAY
                              specify the ISO 3166‐1 user‐assigned code
                              of XX indicating that an official ISO
                              3166‐1 alpha‐2 code has not been assigned.<o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              <o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              <u class="">i</u>. Certificate Field:
                              subject:organizationalUnitName<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              Optional.<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              <u class="">Contents:<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></u>The
                              CA SHALL implement a process that prevents
                              an OU attribute from including a name,
                              DBA, tradename, trademark, address,
                              location, or other text that refers to a
                              specific natural person or Legal Entity
                              unless the CA has verified this
                              information in accordance with Section 3.2
                              and the Certificate also contains
                              subject:organizationName,<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u
                                class="">subject:givenName,
                                subject:surname,<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></u>subject:localityName,
                              and subject:countryName attributes, also
                              verified in accordance with Section
                              3.2.2.1.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              <o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              7.1.6.1<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              …<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              If the Certificate asserts the policy
                              identifier of 2.23.140.1.2.1, then it MUST
                              NOT include organizationName,<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u
                                class="">givenName, surname,</u><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>streetAddress,
                              localityName, stateOrProvinceName, or
                              postalCode in the Subject field.<o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
                              …<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                              sans-serif;" class="">
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                    <br class="">
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