<div dir="ltr">Not really.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Moudrick M. Dadashov <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:md@ssc.lt" target="_blank">md@ssc.lt</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Thanks, Ryan, in that case Section 3.2.6.1.(Predefined
      Statements) of RFC 3739 would be more relevant.</p>
    <p>ETSI implementation here: ETSI EN 319 412-1, Electronic
      Signatures and Infrastructures (ESI); Certificate Profiles; Part
      1: Overview and common data structures<br>
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    <p>Thanks,<br>
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    <p>M.D.<br>
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    <div>On 7/13/2016 11:13 PM, Ryan Sleevi
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      <div dir="ltr">Moudrick,
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        <div>As the subject indicates, this is about naming OIDs, not
          policy OIDs - that is, the format and structure of name forms.
          So no, they don't represent policy OIDs, which do come from
          the CA/B Forum arc already.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:37 AM,
          Moudrick M. Dadashov <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:md@ssc.lt" target="_blank">md@ssc.lt</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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                  <div>On 7/13/2016 8:33 PM, Ryan Sleevi wrote:<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at
                          10:26 AM, Rich Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:richard.smith@comodo.com" target="_blank">richard.smith@comodo.com</a>></span>
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                            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> I
                              don't have any concrete objection to these
                              OIDs being maintained under Microsoft's
                              hierarchy, however as memory serves they
                              were put there because at the time the
                              CA/B Forum did not have an OID hierarchy
                              of our own under which to create them. 
                              Personally I think it would be a good idea
                              to duplicate these OIDs in house at this
                              point, and over time deprecate the use of
                              the ones under the Microsoft structure.  I
                              don't think this is a pressing issue, and
                              probably not even strictly necessary, but
                              I do see it as a matter of good
                              'house-keeping'.  If they're under CA/B
                              Forum control we don't need to ask someone
                              else to define them, and we don't have to
                              accept their definition if it's one we
                              don't necessarily agree with.<br>
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                          <div>I'm not sure I understand these last
                            points, practically speaking.</div>
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                          <div>Why is it a matter of good-housekeeping?
                            The counter-argument is it sounds like
                            NIH-syndrome.</div>
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                          <div>Why do we need to ask someone to define
                            them, considering they're defined already?
                            Why do we need to worry about accepting the
                            definition, considering it's already been
                            accepted?</div>
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                          <div>I'm explicitly opposed to the change as
                            argued because it means needless churn and
                            complexity in software. If this were a fresh
                            start, I would be understanding - but even
                            then, I'd be opposed to putting it under a
                            CA/B Forum arc 'simply because', if an
                            alternative presented itself. For example,
                            if a member/vendor in possession of a small
                            OID arc were willing to 'donate' OIDs for
                            future purposes that were smaller, in their
                            encoded form, then the OID arc of the CA/B
                            Forum (presently, 2.23.140, so I mean, it's
                            unlikely but possible), then great - let's
                            do that instead.</div>
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                          <div>I'm also not opposed to moving to a CA/B
                            Forum set of OIDs if there were other
                            compelling reasons to. But so far, it seems
                            to solely be about 'branding' than any
                            concrete technical need. Am I missing
                            something?</div>
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              <p>Maybe not just "branding" :)</p>
              <p>Consider OIDs  specifically representing CA/B Forum
                policy provisions, I mean similar to those in RFC 3739.
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              <p>Thanks,</p>
              <p>M.D.<br>
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