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<div>"3) Modify Section 5 of Appendix F of the EV Guidelines to replace the last sentence with the following sentence:</div>
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<div>When a Domain Name with “onion” as the right most label is included in a certificate that complies with this Appendix, the Domain Name shall not be considered an Internal Name."</div>
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<div>This removes the contingency on IESG action, as RFC 7686 was approved for publication by the Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG), has been published by the RFC Editor, and onion. has been added to the Special-Use Domain Names list by the Internet
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<div>Do at least three of members agree to include this in the ballot?</div>
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<b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span><a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a><span> </span>[<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>]<span> </span><b>On
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<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday, February 02, 2016 7:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span> </span>CABFPub <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [cabfpub] Sunset for exceptions?</span></div>
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Can whoever doles out ballot numbers please assign a number and can the review period please be initiated?</div>
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On Jan 19, 2016, at 10:27 PM, Peter Bowen <<a href="mailto:pzb@amzn.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">pzb@amzn.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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1) Modify section 6.1.7 of the Baseline Requirements to add items 5(f) and 5(g) which read:</div>
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2) Modify section 6.3.2 of the Baseline Requirements to replace the words "Beyond 1 April 2015" with the words "Until 30 June 2016"</div>
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On Jan 19, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Eddy Nigg <<a href="mailto:eddy_nigg@startcom.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">eddy_nigg@startcom.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">public-bounces@cabforum.org</span></a><span> </span>[<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</span></a>]<span> </span><b>On
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On Jan 19, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Ryan Sleevi <<a href="mailto:sleevi@google.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">sleevi@google.com</span></a>> wrote:</div>
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Peter, I'd be happy to support a ballot if you want to propose one. That tends to be the only way to get timely responses - the discussion period of the ballot. </div>
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As an Associate Member, I cannot propose ballots.  Only those who have a full period-of-time audit can propose ballots.  Or at least that is my read of the bylaws.</div>
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