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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That’s true – but every person visiting the site would have to do the same thing. So as a practical matter, no commercial CA will proceed in selling certs
generally without its roots being in the main browser root stores, which requires completed WebTrust/ETSI audits to be delivered to the browsers. And I don’t think the Forum needs to have “private” CA members.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> "Barreira Iglesias, Iñigo" [mailto:i-barreira@izenpe.net]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 20, 2015 10:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kirk Hall (RD-US); Peter Bowen; public@cabforum.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> questions@cabforum.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] When did the WebTrust/ETSI BR audit requirement become mandatory?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kirk, any CA can sell certs without having any audit. It's up to the customers. It's their decission. You can add the CA manually<o:p></o:p></p>
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De: kirk_hall@trendmicro.com <br>
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Para: Peter Bowen <pzbowen@gmail.com>,"CABFPub (public@cabforum.org)" <public@cabforum.org>
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Cc: questions@cabforum.org <br>
Asunto: Re: [cabfpub] When did the WebTrust/ETSI BR audit requirement become mandatory?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sorry, I should have clarified.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Any CA can get a point in time or “readiness” BR audit at any time, even just before starting operations.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Plus any CA can get a 60 day or 90 day performance BR audit once they start operations – in fact,
that is the recommended method (i.e., don’t wait a whole year).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In general, a CA can’t start selling certs to anyone until the CA has its roots in the browsers.
And the browsers won’t add the roots until they see (at least) a WebTrust and a BR readiness audit – so there really is no blocking effect on the membership rules from requiring the audits. A CA can’t be in operation (can’t be in the browsers) until that
happens.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Plus – when my new CA, AffirmTrust (acquired by Trend Micro) applied to the Forum, we had our audits
but no customers yet (because at that time, the Mozilla root review process was very slow). The Forum accepted us, but only on an observer basis, not member, until we started issuing certs to customers.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Peter Bowen [mailto:pzbowen@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 19, 2015 7:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kirk Hall (RD-US); CABFPub (public@cabforum.org)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> questions@cabforum.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] When did the WebTrust/ETSI BR audit requirement become mandatory?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 8:59 AM,
<a href="mailto:kirk_hall@trendmicro.com">kirk_hall@trendmicro.com</a> <<a href="mailto:kirk_hall@trendmicro.com" target="_blank">kirk_hall@trendmicro.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Based on all this, I would say all CAs should have full year BR audits in place by now. We can change our Bylaw on membership at Bylaw 2.1 to reflect this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Have you considered that it is possible a new CA might want to become a member before their first anniversary of operation? If you require a full year BR audit for membership,
you are effectively excluding new CAs, as they presumably will start with a point in time then a partial year audit (given the requirement to get a period of time audit started within 90 days of issuing the first certificate).<o:p></o:p></p>
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