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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Bonjour,<br>
      <br>
      Coming back on this email, as it seems it hasn't been fully
      answered.<br>
      <br>
      Le 13/02/2015 17:28, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
        href="mailto:kirk_hall@trendmicro.com">kirk_hall@trendmicro.com</a>
      a écrit :<br>
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        <p class="MsoPlainText">[...]</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">I have to circle back to “Why are we
          doing this?”<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"
          style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l1 level1
          lfo2">
          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">•<span
              style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">                   

            </span></span><!--[endif]-->Tor users want to visit websites
          anonymously.  [That sounds like something CAs should support
          if possible]<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"
          style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l1 level1
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          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">•<span
              style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">                   

            </span></span><!--[endif]-->Website owners do *<b>not</b>*
          want anonymity – in fact, just the opposite.  They want EV
          certs with their identity information included that will work
          for Tor users.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l1 level1
          lfo2">
          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">•<span
              style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">                   

            </span></span><!--[endif]-->For some reason, regular TLD
          certs (like .com certs) won’t work after Tor users go through
          the Tor blender.  [Does anyone know why that is the case?]</p>
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    <br>
    A TorBrowser user can connect to <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
      href="https://www.facebook.com">https://www.facebook.com</a>, it
    will have the nice padlock icon, and all the packets will go through
    the Tor mesh network.<br>
    A "{elinks,chrome,IE,whatever}+tor+socks5-in-between" user can do
    the same action with the same guarantees.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:EF70381B2D29784EA4FC66042BE81EAF4D4B3176@SJDCEXMBX01.us.trendnet.org"
      type="cite">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoPlainText"
          style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l1 level1
          lfo2"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"
          style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l1 level1
          lfo2">
          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">•<span
              style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">                   

            </span></span><!--[endif]-->But for some reason, Internal
          Name .onion certs *<b>do</b>* work for Tor users after they go
          through the Tor blender.  [Does anyone know why this is so?]<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"
          style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l1 level1
          lfo2">
          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">•<span
              style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">                   

            </span></span><!--[endif]-->Tor does not want to apply for
          .onion as a TLD, and does not want to be the registrar for
          .onion [Why not?  That would solve everything by making .onion
          a TLD, so all the current CA rules could apply.  And remember,
          website users are not looking for anonymity in their certs –
          they want EV certs with their identity displayed prominently
          in the browsers.]<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"
          style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l1 level1
          lfo2">
          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">•<span
              style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">                   

            </span></span><!--[endif]-->The Tor process for assigning
          .onion domains does not require domains to be unique.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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    <br>
    IIUC, asking Tor to connect to some identified server creates a
    circuit, involving at least 3 nodes (entry, relay+, exit) to provide
    some anonymity.<br>
    Asking Tor to connect to a .onion address involves requesting the
    nearest catalog of hidden services to get the Tor node hosting this
    hidden service, and the circuit will never go through an exit node,
    providing confidentiality. This confidentiality is already offered
    by TLS.<br>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Erwann ABALEA
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