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    Iñigo,<br>
    <br>
    may I ask you where did you find the amount you quote below for
    Italy?<br>
    I am not aware of any law or regulation mentioning it....<br>
    <br>
    Thx<br>
    Adriano<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 12/01/2015 14:45,
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:i-barreira@izenpe.net">i-barreira@izenpe.net</a> ha scritto:<br>
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        <p class="Default"><span lang="EN-US">FYI regarding insurance.
            This is what current national law says (regarding the
            directive/regulation) to the CAs which issues qualified
            certificates. And, IMHO, this is not going to change, or at
            least not significantly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="Default"><span lang="EN-US">So, this means, that I´ll
            still need my insurance. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="Default"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="Default"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:9.75pt"><b><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"
                lang="ES-TRAD">Iñigo Barreira</span></b><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"
              lang="ES-TRAD"><br>
              Responsable del Área técnica<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:i-barreira@izenpe.net">i-barreira@izenpe.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"
              lang="ES-TRAD">945067705</span><span style="color:#1F497D"
              lang="ES-TRAD"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
              lang="ES-TRAD"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                id="Imagen_x0020_1"
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                border="0" height="111" width="585"></span><span
              style="color:#1F497D" lang="ES-TRAD"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:9.75pt"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#888888;mso-fareast-language:ES-TRAD">ERNE!
              Baliteke mezu honen zatiren bat edo mezu osoa legez
              babestuta egotea. Mezua badu bere hartzailea. Okerreko
              helbidera heldu bada (helbidea gaizki idatzi, transmisioak
              huts egin) eman abisu igorleari, korreo honi erantzuna.
              KONTUZ!</span><span
              style="color:#888888;mso-fareast-language:ES-TRAD"><br>
            </span><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#888888;mso-fareast-language:ES-TRAD">ATENCION!
              Este mensaje contiene informacion privilegiada o
              confidencial a la que solo tiene derecho a acceder el
              destinatario. Si usted lo recibe por error le
              agradeceriamos que no hiciera uso de la informacion y que
              se pusiese en contacto con el remitente.</span><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-fareast-language:ES-TRAD"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>] <b>En nombre de </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kirk_hall@trendmicro.com">kirk_hall@trendmicro.com</a><br>
                <b>Enviado el:</b> miércoles, 07 de enero de 2015 19:01<br>
                <b>Para:</b> CABFPub (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a>)<br>
                <b>Asunto:</b> [cabfpub] Ballot 141 - Reposted<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="line867" style="background:white"><strong><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black;font-weight:normal"
              lang="EN-US">I just realized we should re-post Ballots 141
              and 142 to promote discussion, so here they are.<o:p></o:p></span></strong></p>
        <p class="line867" style="background:white"><strong><span
              style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
              lang="EN-US">Ballot 141 – Elimination of EV Insurance
              Requirement; Financial Responsibility for Mis-Issued
              Certificates</span></strong><span
            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="line874" style="background:white;orphans:
          auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
          0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
            lang="EN-US">The following motion has been proposed by Kirk
            Hall of Trend Micro and endorsed by Robin Alden of Comodo
            and Dean Coclin of Symantec.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="line867" style="background:white;orphans:
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          0px;word-spacing:0px"><strong><span
              style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
              lang="EN-US">Purpose</span></strong><span
            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="line862" style="background:white;orphans:
          auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
          0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
            lang="EN-US">The existing insurance requirements of EV
            Guidelines Section 8.4 were intended to help assure the
            public that CAs would be financially responsible, but the
            requirements for Commercial General Liability and
            Professional Liability / Errors & Omissions insurance
            are not well suited for this purpose and do not apply to DV
            and OV certificates.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="line874" style="background:white;orphans:
          auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
          0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
            lang="EN-US">The current insurance requirements should be
            replaced by other, more effective financial responsibility
            requirements that are more directly focused on financial
            responsibility for potential harm to subscribers and relying
            parties from mis-issued certificates of all types. At
            present, CAs are permitted to limit their potential
            liability to subscribers and relying parties to $2,000 per
            EV certificate under EV Guidelines Section 18 and $0 per DV
            and OV certificate under Baseline Requirements Section 18.1.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="line874" style="background:white;orphans:
          auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
          0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
            lang="EN-US">This ballot (1) deletes the current EV
            insurance requirements at EV Guidelines Section 8.4, and (2)
            amends the EV Guidelines and the Baseline Requirements so
            that CAs are permitted to limit their potential liability to
            subscribers and relying parties to $10,000 per EV
            certificate, $5,000 per OV certificate, and $2,000 per OV
            certificate. This ballot does not otherwise change whatever
            legal liability a CA would or would not have for its
            certificates under applicable law.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="line874" style="background:white;orphans:
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          0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
            lang="EN-US">-- MOTION BEGINS --<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="line874" style="background:white;orphans:
          auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
          0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
            lang="EN-US">1. EV Guideline 8.4 is deleted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="line874" style="background:white;orphans:
          auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
          0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
            lang="EN-US">2. EV Guideline Section 18 is amended to read
            as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="line867" style="background:white;orphans:
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          0px;word-spacing:0px"><strong><span
              style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
              lang="EN-US">18. Liability and Indemnification</span></strong><span
            class="apple-converted-space"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
              lang="EN-US"> </span></span><span
            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
            lang="EN-US">CAs MAY limit their liability as described in
            Section 18 of the Baseline Requirements except that a CA MAY
            NOT limit its liability to Subscribers or Relying Parties
            for legally recognized and provable claims to a monetary
            amount less than<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span
              class="strike"><s>two</s></span><span
              class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="u"><u>ten</u></span><span
              class="apple-converted-space"> </span>thousand US dollars
            per Subscriber or Relying Party per EV Certificate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="line874" style="background:white;orphans:
          auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
          0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
            lang="EN-US">A CA's indemnification obligations and a Root
            CA’s obligations with respect to subordinate CAs are set
            forth in the Baseline Requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="line874" style="background:white;orphans:
          auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
          0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
            lang="EN-US">3. Baseline Requirements Section 18.1 is
            amended to read as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="line867" style="background:white;orphans:
          auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
          0px;word-spacing:0px"><strong><span
              style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
              lang="EN-US">18.1 Liability to Subscribers and Relying
              Parties</span></strong><span
            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="line862" style="background:white;orphans:
          auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
          0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
            lang="EN-US">If the CA has issued and managed the
            Certificate in compliance with these Requirements and its
            Certificate Policy and/or Certification Practice Statement,
            the CA MAY disclaim liability to the Certificate
            Beneficiaries or any other third parties for any losses
            suffered as a result of use or reliance on such Certificate
            beyond those specified in the CA's Certificate Policy and/or
            Certification Practice Statement. If the CA has not issued
            or managed the Certificate in compliance with these
            Requirements and its Certificate Policy and/or Certification
            Practice Statement, the CA MAY seek to limit its liability
            to the Subscriber and to Relying Parties, regardless of the
            cause of action or legal theory involved, for any and all
            claims, losses or damages suffered as a result of the use or
            reliance on such Certificate by any appropriate means that
            the CA desires. If the CA chooses to limit its liability for
            Certificates that are not issued or managed in compliance
            with these Requirements or its Certificate Policy and/or
            Certification Practice Statement, then the CA SHALL include
            the limitations on liability in the CA’s Certificate Policy
            and/or Certification Practice Statement.<span
              class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="u"><u>Notwithstanding
                the foregoing, a CA MAY NOT limit its liability to
                Subscribers or Relying Parties for legally recognized
                and provable claims to a monetary amount less than two
                thousand US dollars per Subscriber or Relying Party per
                DV Certificate or less than five thousand US dollars per
                Subscriber or Relying Party per OV Certificate.</u></span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
            lang="EN-US">-- MOTION ENDS --<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
            lang="EN-US">The review period for this ballot shall
            commence at 2200 UTC on Monday, 5 January 2015, and will
            close at 2200 UTC on Wednesday, 12 January 2015. Unless the
            motion is withdrawn during the review period, the voting
            period will start immediately thereafter and will close at
            2200 UTC on Wednesday, 19 January 2015. Votes must be cast
            by posting an on-list reply to this thread.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
            lang="EN-US">A vote in favor of the motion must indicate a
            clear 'yes' in the response. A vote against must indicate a
            clear 'no' in the response. A vote to abstain must indicate
            a clear 'abstain' in the response. Unclear responses will
            not be counted. The latest vote received from any
            representative of a voting member before the close of the
            voting period will be counted. Voting members are listed
            here:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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              href="https://cabforum.org/members/"><span
                style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">https://cabforum.org/members/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            lang="EN-US">In order for the motion to be adopted, two
            thirds or more of the votes cast by members in the CA
            category and greater than 50% of the votes cast by members
            in the browser category must be in favor. Quorum is
            currently nine (9) members– at least nine members must
            participate in the ballot, either by voting in favor, voting
            against, or abstaining.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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