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Iñigo,<br>
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may I ask you where did you find the amount you quote below for
Italy?<br>
I am not aware of any law or regulation mentioning it....<br>
<br>
Thx<br>
Adriano<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 12/01/2015 14:45,
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<p class="Default"><span lang="EN-US">FYI regarding insurance.
This is what current national law says (regarding the
directive/regulation) to the CAs which issues qualified
certificates. And, IMHO, this is not going to change, or at
least not significantly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="Default"><span lang="EN-US">So, this means, that I´ll
still need my insurance. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:9.75pt"><b><span
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lang="ES-TRAD">Iñigo Barreira</span></b><span
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>] <b>En nombre de </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kirk_hall@trendmicro.com">kirk_hall@trendmicro.com</a><br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> miércoles, 07 de enero de 2015 19:01<br>
<b>Para:</b> CABFPub (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a>)<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> [cabfpub] Ballot 141 - Reposted<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="line867" style="background:white"><strong><span
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lang="EN-US">I just realized we should re-post Ballots 141
and 142 to promote discussion, so here they are.<o:p></o:p></span></strong></p>
<p class="line867" style="background:white"><strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">Ballot 141 – Elimination of EV Insurance
Requirement; Financial Responsibility for Mis-Issued
Certificates</span></strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="line874" style="background:white;orphans:
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">The following motion has been proposed by Kirk
Hall of Trend Micro and endorsed by Robin Alden of Comodo
and Dean Coclin of Symantec.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="line867" style="background:white;orphans:
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">Purpose</span></strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="line862" style="background:white;orphans:
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">The existing insurance requirements of EV
Guidelines Section 8.4 were intended to help assure the
public that CAs would be financially responsible, but the
requirements for Commercial General Liability and
Professional Liability / Errors & Omissions insurance
are not well suited for this purpose and do not apply to DV
and OV certificates.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="line874" style="background:white;orphans:
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">The current insurance requirements should be
replaced by other, more effective financial responsibility
requirements that are more directly focused on financial
responsibility for potential harm to subscribers and relying
parties from mis-issued certificates of all types. At
present, CAs are permitted to limit their potential
liability to subscribers and relying parties to $2,000 per
EV certificate under EV Guidelines Section 18 and $0 per DV
and OV certificate under Baseline Requirements Section 18.1.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="line874" style="background:white;orphans:
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">This ballot (1) deletes the current EV
insurance requirements at EV Guidelines Section 8.4, and (2)
amends the EV Guidelines and the Baseline Requirements so
that CAs are permitted to limit their potential liability to
subscribers and relying parties to $10,000 per EV
certificate, $5,000 per OV certificate, and $2,000 per OV
certificate. This ballot does not otherwise change whatever
legal liability a CA would or would not have for its
certificates under applicable law.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="line874" style="background:white;orphans:
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">-- MOTION BEGINS --<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="line874" style="background:white;orphans:
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">1. EV Guideline 8.4 is deleted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="line874" style="background:white;orphans:
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">2. EV Guideline Section 18 is amended to read
as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="line867" style="background:white;orphans:
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">18. Liability and Indemnification</span></strong><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span></span><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">CAs MAY limit their liability as described in
Section 18 of the Baseline Requirements except that a CA MAY
NOT limit its liability to Subscribers or Relying Parties
for legally recognized and provable claims to a monetary
amount less than<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span
class="strike"><s>two</s></span><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="u"><u>ten</u></span><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>thousand US dollars
per Subscriber or Relying Party per EV Certificate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="line874" style="background:white;orphans:
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">A CA's indemnification obligations and a Root
CA’s obligations with respect to subordinate CAs are set
forth in the Baseline Requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="line874" style="background:white;orphans:
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">3. Baseline Requirements Section 18.1 is
amended to read as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="line867" style="background:white;orphans:
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">18.1 Liability to Subscribers and Relying
Parties</span></strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="line862" style="background:white;orphans:
auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">If the CA has issued and managed the
Certificate in compliance with these Requirements and its
Certificate Policy and/or Certification Practice Statement,
the CA MAY disclaim liability to the Certificate
Beneficiaries or any other third parties for any losses
suffered as a result of use or reliance on such Certificate
beyond those specified in the CA's Certificate Policy and/or
Certification Practice Statement. If the CA has not issued
or managed the Certificate in compliance with these
Requirements and its Certificate Policy and/or Certification
Practice Statement, the CA MAY seek to limit its liability
to the Subscriber and to Relying Parties, regardless of the
cause of action or legal theory involved, for any and all
claims, losses or damages suffered as a result of the use or
reliance on such Certificate by any appropriate means that
the CA desires. If the CA chooses to limit its liability for
Certificates that are not issued or managed in compliance
with these Requirements or its Certificate Policy and/or
Certification Practice Statement, then the CA SHALL include
the limitations on liability in the CA’s Certificate Policy
and/or Certification Practice Statement.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="u"><u>Notwithstanding
the foregoing, a CA MAY NOT limit its liability to
Subscribers or Relying Parties for legally recognized
and provable claims to a monetary amount less than two
thousand US dollars per Subscriber or Relying Party per
DV Certificate or less than five thousand US dollars per
Subscriber or Relying Party per OV Certificate.</u></span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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