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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Dean,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Two points from the bylaws, which IMO address this situation, should the allegations prove accurate:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>1) From section 1.1 Purpose of the Forum<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> "... guidelines and means of implementation for best practices as a way of providing a heightened security..."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Knowingly allowing MITM is an action clearly in direct opposition to the stated purpose of this Forum. It absolutely does NOT provide for heightened security.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>2) From section 2.1 Qualifying for Forum Membership:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>(3) Browser: The member organization produces a software product intended for use by the general public for browsing the Web securely.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Knowingly allowing any party to MITM a site is definitely not producing a software product intended to allow the general public to browse the Web securely. IMO, if the allegation is true then 360 Browser does NOT meet the definition of a Browser under the bylaws, therefore they would have been admitted in error and do not qualify for membership.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Rich Smith<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Dean Coclin [mailto:Dean_Coclin@symantec.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 21, 2014 2:55 PM<br><b>To:</b> richard.smith@comodo.com; public@cabforum.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [cabfpub] China MITMing icloud.com<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Rich brings up a good point, but we have to rely on our bylaws for the operation of the forum, including member conduct.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I took a quick scan of the bylaws and unfortunately I didn’t see anything about member conduct or any action that could be taken related to the allegation below (feel free to correct me if I missed it). There is something minor about complying with industry regulations, but does the alleged behavior violate any regulation?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>So although it’s fine to have a discussion about it, any action would need to be in accordance with our bylaws. Hence this may be an opportunity to propose changes therein.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Dean<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a> [<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rich Smith<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:41 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [cabfpub] China MITMing icloud.com<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://en.greatfire.org/blog/2014/oct/china-collecting-apple-icloud-data-attack-coincides-launch-new-iphone">https://en.greatfire.org/blog/2014/oct/china-collecting-apple-icloud-data-attack-coincides-launch-new-iphone</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The above article states that within China's great firewall, <a href="http://www.icloud.com">www.icloud.com</a> is connecting with a self signed certificate. The article also states that the Qihoo 360 Browser passes the user right through with no warning or other indication that the connection is unsafe.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I have no way to independently verify that accusation, BUT given that we just approved the 360 Browser's CA/B membership application, I think this needs to be investigated.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If the accusation is found to be accurate, barring a VERY good explanation from the 360 Browser team, I would move for their immediate expulsion from this Forum.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Rich Smith<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Validation Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Comodo</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><a href="http://www.comodo.com/">http://www.comodo.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>