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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Is it correct that subsection(4) shall refer to ‘the Applicant’ only, while the other subsections refers to ‘the Applicant, Affiliate, Parent Company, or Subsidiary Company’ or should the latter
be used also for subsection (4)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> public-bounces@cabforum.org [mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ben Wilson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 11. juli 2014 05:45<br>
<b>To:</b> public@cabforum.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cabfpub] Ballot 126 - Operational Existence<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="line874"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Jeremy Rowley of Digicert made the following motion and Cecilia Kam of Symantec and Doug Beattie of GlobalSign have endorsed it:
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<p class="line867"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Reason(s) for Ballot 126:
</span></strong><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Problem</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">(</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">s</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">)</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
with Current Wording<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">A - Section 11.5 is unclear, as evidenced by the need to restate that requirement with an additional sentence<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">B - Section 11.5 begins with the word “If” – making it appear conditional rather than mandatory
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">C - Section 11.5 does not follow the framework used elsewhere in Section 11 of the EV Guidelines. The framework is: (1) state the requirement and (2) state the acceptable methods of meeting that requirement.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">D - Section 11.5 could be edited to help clarify the relationship between “ability to engage in business” and “operational existence” for purposes of the EV Guidelines<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Approach Used in Ballot 126 to Address the Problem<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Language is removed from the requirements section (section 11.5.1) and placed in the acceptable methods section (section 11.5.2) so that section 11.5.1 simply says, “The CA MUST verify that the Applicant has the ability
to engage in business by verifying the Applicant's, or Affiliate/Parent/Subsidiary Company’s, operational existence.”
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Section 11.5.2 would begin, “To verify the Applicant’s ability to engage in business, the CA MUST verify the operational existence of the Applicant, or its Affiliate/Parent/Subsidiary Company, by: ….” The current introduction
to section 11.5.2 only refers to “operational existence” and not “an ability to engage in business”. An “ability to engage in business” is added to section 11.5.2 to keep it congruent with section 11.5.1.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Section 11.5.2:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">(1) Three-year existence in subsection 11.5.2(1) comes from moving it down from section 11.5.1.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">(2) QIIS/QTIS listing in subsection 11.5.2(2) also comes down from section 11.5.1. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Subsection (3) consists of wording changes to maintain parallelism throughout sections 11.5.1 and 11.5.2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The word “or” between subsections (3) and (4) does not make section 11.5.2 any different substantively from how sections 11.5.1 and 11.5.2 currently exist.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Subsection (4) is essentially the same.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Additional Support for Approach Taken / Words Used in Ballot 126<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Section 11.5 is meant to address operational existence. In drafting the original language, members of the Forum knew that it would be too hard to presumptively establish that an organization was “actually doing business,”
but there was a desire to retain a requirement and method to establish that an organization had more than just a legal existence and physical address, and they settled on the concept of “an ability to do business”.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">----Motion Begins ----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">1. DELETE Section 11.5.1 (Verification Requirements) of the EV Guidelines and INSERT the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">11.5.1. Verification Requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">The CA MUST verify that the Applicant has the ability to engage in business by verifying the Applicant's, or Affiliate/Parent/Subsidiary Company’s, operational existence.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">2. DELETE Section 11.5.2 (Verification Requirements) of the EV Guidelines and INSERT the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">11.5.2. Acceptable Methods of Verification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">To verify the Applicant’s ability to engage in business, the CA MUST verify the operational existence of the Applicant, or its Affiliate/Parent/Subsidiary Company, by:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">(1) Verifying that the Applicant, Affiliate, Parent Company, or Subsidiary Company has been in existence for at least three years, as indicated by the records of an Incorporating Agency or Registration
Agency;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">(2) Verifying that the Applicant, Affiliate, Parent Company, or Subsidiary Company is listed in either a current QIIS or QTIS;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">(3) Verifying that the Applicant, Affiliate, Parent Company, or Subsidiary Company has an active current Demand Deposit Account with a Regulated Financial Institution by receiving authenticated
documentation of the Applicant's, Affiliate's, Parent Company's, or Subsidiary Company's Demand Deposit Account directly from a Regulated Financial Institution; or<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">(4) Relying on a Verified Legal Opinion or a Verified Accountant Letter to the effect that the Applicant has an active current Demand Deposit Account with a Regulated Financial Institution.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">----Motion Ends ----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The review period for this ballot shall commence at 2200 UTC on Thursday, July 10, 2014, and will close at 2200 UTC on Thursday, July 17, 2014.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Unless the motion is withdrawn during the review period, the voting period will start immediately thereafter and will close at 2200 UTC on Thursday, July 24, 2014. Votes must be cast by posting an on-list reply to this
thread. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">A vote in favor of the motion must indicate a clear 'yes' in the response.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">A vote against must indicate a clear 'no' in the response.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">A vote to abstain must indicate a clear 'abstain' in the response. Unclear responses will not be counted.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The latest vote received from any representative of a voting member before the close of the voting period will be counted.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Voting members are listed here: <a href="https://cabforum.org/members/">
<span style="color:windowtext">https://cabforum.org/members/</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">In order for the motion to be adopted, two thirds or more of the votes cast by members in the CA category and more than one half of the votes cast by members in the browser category must be in favor. Quorum is currently
seven (7) members– at least seven members must participate in the ballot, either by voting in favor, voting against, or by abstaining for the vote to be valid.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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