<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>Ben, maybe Bruce/Entrust won't mind if he is invited as an individual expert? I think this interpretation probably is closer to the real situation, as you said, Bruce is just Bruce as we know him..</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>M.D.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:75%;color:#575757">Sent from Samsung Mobile</div></div><br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Ben Wilson <ben@digicert.com> <br>Date: 23/01/2014 19:14 (GMT+01:00) <br>To: "'Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)'" <eddy_nigg@startcom.org>,kirk_hall@trendmicro.com <br>Cc: public@cabforum.org <br>Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 115 - Invited Guest to Meeting 31 <br> <br><br><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I’d be willing to accept that principle. In response to your earlier email about the Entrust refusal to sign the IPR Agreement, I am hoping that this olive branch will move us past that. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> public-bounces@cabforum.org [mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> kirk_hall@trendmicro.com<br><b>Cc:</b> public@cabforum.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 115 - Invited Guest to Meeting 31<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Then you'd be also willing to make similar exceptions based on a similar promise for others? Circumstances and situations may vary, but might be in principal very similar. The forum just should be prepared for it in the future and apply an even treatment.<br><br>On 01/23/2014 06:15 PM, From <a href="mailto:kirk_hall@trendmicro.com:">kirk_hall@trendmicro.com:</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Eddy – in my view this is temporary only (one meeting only for Entrust) as I don’t think we will get bylaws changes completed in time. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a> [<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ben@digicert.com">ben@digicert.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 115 - Invited Guest to Meeting 31</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Ben,<br><br>Obviously I have nothing against Entrust, Tim and Bruce rejoin the forum - I actually miss them :-)<br><br>BUT....I'm not sure if this is a wise thing to do because Entrust is a certificate authority, a previous member and a member that left the forum due to the IPR policy. Somehow it simply doesn't sound good to me and might be a slippery slope if we introduce such waivers for this or the other requirement the CAB Forum has decided it wants in first place. <br><br>Tomorrow something else could turn up and another CA could be affected and then we are in a problem if Entrust got some preferential today and don't allow it for another one. Just my 0.02 US$ (and I believe Entrust will understand and consider it the right thing too if they'd be a member today).<br><br>On 01/23/2014 03:08 AM, From Ben Wilson: <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Pursuant to Section 5.4 of the Bylaws, “other persons” may be invited by the Chair in the Chair’s discretion to participate in a CA/Browser Forum Meeting based on a person’s relevant expertise. In light of recent discussion and the proposed Ballot 110, which if endorsed will not complete voting until 6 February 2014, I am proposing that we invite Bruce Morton of Entrust as our Invited Guest during the working group and F2F Meeting 31 from 18-20 February 2014 and that we waive the IPR Agreement requirement for purposes of such invitation. <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">The basis for this request is that I have known Bruce Morton since 2005 and he was present during the early formation of the CA/Browser Forum during that time and through July 2012 when Entrust had to withdraw from participation in the CA/Browser Forum due to enforcement of the IPR Policy. Bruce Morton has deployed and managed several public and private PKIs for both government and industry for over 15 years and over the last 8 years, Bruce has managed the governance, compliance and risk management aspects of Entrust's Certificate Services. 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