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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sure.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> kirk_hall@trendmicro.com [mailto:kirk_hall@trendmicro.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> Ryan Sleevi; ben@digicert.com<br><b>Cc:</b> CABFPub<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [cabfpub] Proposal for change of definition of Internal Server Name in the BRs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ben, can you prepare a draft ballot incorporating all these changes? We will be an endorser.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Ryan Sleevi [<a href="mailto:sleevi@google.com">mailto:sleevi@google.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ben@digicert.com">ben@digicert.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Kirk Hall (RD-US); CABFPub<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [cabfpub] Proposal for change of definition of Internal Server Name in the BRs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Works for me, with a suitable definition of Registered Domain Name.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Dec 18, 2013 9:45 AM, "Ben Wilson" <<a href="mailto:ben@digicert.com">ben@digicert.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would prefer that we distinguish between a domain namespace (which is registered) and the server name (which either includes or does not include, a registered domain name). So “internal server name” could be defined as, “a name that does not include a Registered Domain Name, determined at the time of certificate issuance.”</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:kirk_hall@trendmicro.com" target="_blank">kirk_hall@trendmicro.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> Ryan Sleevi<br><b>Cc:</b> CABFPub (<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>)<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Proposal for change of definition of Internal Server Name in the BRs</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thanks, Ryan. So if I understand correctly, the modified language to consider is shown below – correct?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Does anyone object to making these changes? If not, I’ll propose this in a ballot:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Internal Server Name: A Server Name that is an Unregistered Domain Name.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'>Registered Domain Name: A Domain Name that contains as the final level a valid domain according to the IANA Root Zone Database. For domains that end in a gTLD, the Domain Name MUST be registered with an ICANN-accredited Registrar that is authorized to register domains with the ICANN-assigned gTLD Registry Operator (or an Affiliate or subtractor thereof engaged in providing Registry Surfaces). For domains that end in a country-code or sponsored TLD, the Domain Name MUST be registered with a duly-authorized entity recognized by the Sponsoring Organization of the appropriate ccTLD. No other forms of Root Zones are permitted to appear within a Registered Domain Name.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>[Unregistered Domain Name: A Domain Name that is not a Registered Domain Name.]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>As a reminder, right now, the definition for an ISN is as follows:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none'><b>Internal Server Name: </b>A Server Name (which may or may not include an Unregistered Domain Name) that is not resolvable using the public DNS.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none'><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none'><i>[There is no definition of Server Name in the BRs.]</i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none'>[<b>Registered Domain Name: </b>A Domain Name that has been registered with a Domain Name Registrar.]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none'>[<b>Unregistered Domain Name: </b>A Domain Name that is not a Registered Domain Name.]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Ryan Sleevi [<a href="mailto:sleevi@google.com" target="_blank">mailto:sleevi@google.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> Kirk Hall (RD-US)<br><b>Cc:</b> Gervase Markham; CABFPub (<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a>)<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Proposal for change of definition of Internal Server Name in the BRs</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 9:24 AM, <a href="mailto:kirk_hall@trendmicro.com" target="_blank">kirk_hall@trendmicro.com</a> <<a href="mailto:kirk_hall@trendmicro.com" target="_blank">kirk_hall@trendmicro.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p>So would it work to amend the definition of ISN and of Registered Domain Name to read as follows?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:.5in'>Internal Server Name: A Server Name that is an Unregistered Domain Name.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='margin-left:.5in'>Registered Domain Name: A Domain Name that has been registered with an ICANN-assigned Domain Name Registrar.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:.5in'>[Unregistered Domain Name: A Domain Name that is not a Registered Domain Name.]<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Looks like we're mixing top and bottom posts again.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I tried to make a distinction between Registry (that is, a party duly recognized and contracted with ICANN to a TLD within the valid list maintained by IANA) and a Registrar (an ICANN-accredited organization to interact with registrants)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The goal of the wording should be two-fold<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>1) Ensure that Registered Domain Names means it is a name that is a valid TLD according to IANA<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>2) Ensure that the domain has been registered by a registrant with an ICANN-accredited registrar, for<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>For what it's worth, here's the definition of "Registered Name" taken from the ICANN 2013 Registrar Accreditation Agreement ( <a href="http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/approved-with-specs-27jun13-en.htm" target="_blank">http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/approved-with-specs-27jun13-en.htm</a> )<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>"<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>1.11 "gTLD" or "gTLDs" refers to the top-level domain(s) of the DNS delegated by ICANN pursuant to a registry agreement that is in full force and effect, other than any country code TLD (ccTLD) or internationalized domain name (IDN) country code TLD.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><snip><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>1.15 "Registered Name" refers to a domain name within the domain of a gTLD, whether consisting of two (2) or more (e.g., <a href="http://john.smith.name" target="_blank">john.smith.name</a>) levels, about which a gTLD Registry Operator (or an Affiliate or subcontractor thereof engaged in providing Registry Services) maintains data in a Registry Database, arranges for such maintenance, or derives revenue from such maintenance. A name in a Registry Database may be a Registered Name even though it does not appear in a zone file (e.g., a registered but inactive name).<br><br>1.16 "Registered Name Holder" means the holder of a Registered Name.<br><br>1.17 The word "registrar," when appearing without an initial capital letter, refers to a person or entity that contracts with Registered Name Holders and with a Registry Operator and collects registration data about the Registered Name Holders and submits registration information for entry in the Registry Database."<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The above language doesn't quite handle the ccTLD case, but the IANA Root Zone Database does cover these - <a href="http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db" target="_blank">http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sorry for the nit-picking here, but I am hoping to avoid future questions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>"Registered Domain Name: A Domain Name that contains as the final level a valid domain according to the IANA Root Zone Database. For domains that end in a gTLD, the Domain Name MUST be registered with an ICANN-accredited Registrar that is authorized to register domains with the ICANN-assigned gTLD Registry Operator (or an Affiliate or subtractor thereof engaged in providing Registry Surfaces). For domains that end in a country-code or sponsored TLD, the Domain Name MUST be registered with a duly-authorized entity recognized by the Sponsoring Organization of the appropriate ccTLD. No other forms of Root Zones are permitted to appear within a Registered Domain Name"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I realize this is a significant expansion on the original language, and may be best suited by multiple additions to the glossary (to cover generic TLD, country-code TLD, and sponsored TLD), and while it should be plainly obvious as common sense, it avoids any ambiguity - and avoids any risk of alternate registries being used and there being naming collisions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td style='background:white;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>TREND MICRO EMAIL NOTICE<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>The information contained in this email and any attachments is confidential <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>and may be subject to copyright or other intellectual property protection. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to use or <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>disclose this information, and we request that you notify us by reply mail or<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>telephone and delete the original message from your mail system.<o:p></o:p></pre></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td style='background:white;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>TREND MICRO EMAIL NOTICE<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>The information contained in this email and any attachments is confidential <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>and may be subject to copyright or other intellectual property protection. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to use or <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>disclose this information, and we request that you notify us by reply mail or<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>telephone and delete the original message from your mail system.<o:p></o:p></pre></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>