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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Would such a definition allow RedHat,
Debian, or any other Linux distribution to apply as a Platform
provider?<br>
They usually take Mozilla's root store and redistribute it.<br>
Debian/Ubuntu also adds some CA certificates, and modifies libnss
to include them (2 for CACert and 1 for SPI), it has an effect on
Mozilla and Chrome browsers.<br>
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Erwann ABALEA
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Le 25/11/2013 06:44, Ben Wilson a écrit :<br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">What about this definition? I took out
the word “global” and inserted language about managing a root
store.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">(3) Browser/Platform Provider:
The member organization manages a root store as a major
provider of a software product used by the general public: (a)
to browse the Web securely or (b) to authenticate digitally
signed code.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Redlined, if it comes through to you as
HTML, as follows:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN">(3) <u>Browser</u></span><u><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red"
lang="EN">/Platform Provider</span></u><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN">: The member organization </span><u><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red"
lang="EN">manages a root store as a major provider of </span></u><s><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red"
lang="EN">produces</span></s><u><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red"
lang="EN"> </span></u><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN">a software product </span><s><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red"
lang="EN">intended for</span></s><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN"> use</span><s><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red"
lang="EN">d</span></s><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN"> by the general public </span><u><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red"
lang="EN">(a) to</span></u><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red"
lang="EN"> <s>for</s> </span><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN">brows</span><u><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red"
lang="EN">e</span></u><s><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red"
lang="EN">ing</span></s><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN"> the Web securely </span><u><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red"
lang="EN">or (b) to authenticate digitally signed code</span></u><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN">. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>] On Behalf Of Gervase
Markham<br>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:43 AM<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ben@digicert.com">ben@digicert.com</a>; 'CABFPub'<br>
Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Discussion Draft for Revisions to
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">On 12/11/13 19:25, Ben Wilson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> As you stated, an "influx of many
small Android browsers" or any other <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> kind of numerous small browser
developers. As stated in my email of <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> October 10 with references to past
discussions, the size of the browser should be a<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> relevant consideration. Several
producers of "a software product intended<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> for use by the general public to
browse" or under the expanded group <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> of software "[that] authenticates
digitally signed computer code" <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> dramatically shift the current
conditions. I am acting as scribe, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> more or less, to what I perceive is
the concern of a majority of <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> members--I might be wrong, in which
case we'd need to determine the sentiment of the group.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I notice Rick's document has moved to
the concept of "Root Store Operator". Perhaps the right thing
would be to try and come up with a definition of someone who
manages, or ships popular software which makes significant
policy or content changes to, a root store? That would include
Mozilla, Google, Apple, Opera and Oracle, without including
browser manufacturers who simply wrap Webkit and so have no
effect on how the CA system works.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> That's fine. I started down that
road before (and I did again after <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> the last meeting). I keep hitting
a dead end because I must <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> incorporate by reference the IPR
Policy, which many have complained is <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> not lightweight enough.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Why must you do so?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I thought the entire point of a
lightweight IPR agreement was that it would not incorporate
the existing policy by reference, but would instead say:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">"Hi. If I have ownership of patents on
anything I contribute, you can have full rights to them. And
the copyright policy is fine, BTW. Ok, thanks, bye."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">This would probably only be signed by
individuals who did not and had no intention of holding
patents. But a lot of our potential invited experts fall into
that category.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Gerv<o:p></o:p></p>
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