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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t want everyone spending time not focused on getting this issue resolved. I’ve removed “errata” from the title of the ballot and replaced “list of errata” with “list of amendments” so that we can get down to business. Now, could everyone take a look at the redlined PDF I circulated and please provide feedback on whether any other items need to be changed before this is placed on the 14-day review-and-vote track.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Ryan Sleevi [mailto:sleevi@google.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2013 6:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> ben@digicert.com<br><b>Cc:</b> kirk_hall@trendmicro.com; CABFPub<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 103 - OCSP Staping and AIA Errata (DRAFT)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Ben Wilson <<a href="mailto:ben@digicert.com" target="_blank">ben@digicert.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>I am thinking this as errata – it was a mistake in language from the start because servers can’t do OCSP stapling unless they can look at the AIA for the OCSP in certificate. To say that with OCSP stapling you don’t need an AIA was clearly a mistake.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As I expressed on previous calls, this is not accurate. It's entirely possible to configure the AIA for the associated server certificate using some out-of-band configuration mechanism.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The current language permits this, and through the use of the contractual language, allows CAs to omit such information from the certificate.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Our past calls and minutes established this as a "Harder for customers to make misconfiguration" feature, rather than "Impossible to use correctly", which you seem to be suggesting.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>While I can certainly see some motivation, particularly for clients that do not support stapling, I definitely see this as a change in meaning/intent, and have to agree with Kirk that this takes the form of an amendment, if we want to quibble on that vs errata :)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ryan<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:kirk_hall@trendmicro.com" target="_blank">kirk_hall@trendmicro.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:kirk_hall@trendmicro.com" target="_blank">kirk_hall@trendmicro.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2013 6:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ben@digicert.com" target="_blank">ben@digicert.com</a>; <a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [cabfpub] Ballot 103 - OCSP Staping and AIA Errata (DRAFT)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Ben – does this really address errors (errata), or is it simply an amendment to our existing standards? If the latter, can we start re-naming these motions as simple “Amendments”?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a> [<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org" target="_blank">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ben Wilson<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2013 5:08 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">public@cabforum.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [cabfpub] Ballot 103 - OCSP Staping and AIA Errata (DRAFT)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This is a Draft Ballot to address BR Issue 7. I’ve reworked it since our last discussion, and I’m looking for endorsers. One question that we need to resolve is whether (5) below is premature. It states, “The certificate MAY contain the TLS Feature Extension advertising that the status_request feature of OCSP stapling is available and supported by the subscriber.” (Must staple) If premature, then subsection (5) of the motion can be deleted. However, if we think we can address this now, then we can leave it in. Eventually whether we use IETF OIDs or our own CABF OIDs, (we’ve said that must-staple was going to have the OID of 2.23.140.16.1), any numbers could be added in later as parentheticals. A redlined PDF of the proposal is attached.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ballot 103 OCSP Stapling and AIA<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ben Wilson of DigiCert made the following motion, and ____ from _____ and ______ from ______ endorsed it:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>---Motion Begins ---<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, in order to correct erroneous statements concerning the allowance of stapling in section 13.2.1 and the requirement for an authorityInformationaccess (AIA) uniform resource identifier for OCSP responders in Appendix B of the Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted Certificates, we propose the following amendments:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>---List of <span style='color:#1F497D'>amendments</span> begins---<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>(1) In Section 13.2.1 “Mechanisms” DELETE the first clause in the second paragraph "If the Subscriber Certificate is for a high-traffic FQDN,so that as amended the section reads as follows:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>"13.2.1 Mechanisms<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The CA SHALL make revocation information for Subordinate Certificates and Subscriber Certificates available in accordance with Appendix B.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The CA MAY rely on stapling, in accordance with [RFC4366], to distribute its OCSP responses. In this case, the CA SHALL ensure that the Subscriber “staples” the OCSP response for the Certificate in its TLS handshake. The CA SHALL enforce this requirement on the Subscriber either contractually, through the Subscriber or Terms of Use Agreement, or by technical review measures implement by the CA."<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>(2) In Appendix B "2. Subordinate CA Certificate" remove point C (authorityInformationAccess) and insert:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C. authorityInformationAccess <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This extension MUST be present. It MUST NOT be marked critical, and it MUST contain the HTTP URL of the Issuing CA’s OCSP responder (accessMethod = 1.3.6.1.5.5.7.48.1). <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>See Section 13.2.1 for details about OCSP stapling requirements.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Certificates that are not issued by a Root CA SHOULD contain an AIA with the HTTP URL where a copy of the Issuing CA’s certificate (accessMethod = 1.3.6.1.5.5.7.48.2) can be downloaded from a 24x7 online repository.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>(3) In Appendix B "3. Subscriber Certificate" remove point C (authorityInformationAccess) and insert:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> C. authorityInformationAccess <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This extension MUST be present. It MUST NOT be marked critical, and it MUST contain the HTTP URL of the Issuing CA’s OCSP responder (accessMethod = 1.3.6.1.5.5.7.48.1). <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Subscriber Certificates SHOULD contain an AIA with the HTTP URL where a copy of the Issuing CA’s certificate (accessMethod = 1.3.6.1.5.5.7.48.2) can be downloaded from a 24x7 online repository.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>(4) In Appendix B "3. Subscriber Certificate" remove point D (basicConstraints) and insert:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>D. basicConstraints (optional)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If present, this field MUST be marked critical and the cA field MUST be set to false.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>(5) In Appendix B "3. Subscriber Certificate" after point F insert a new point G (TLS Feature Extension) as follows:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>G. TLS Feature Extension (optional)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Subscriber Certificates MAY contain the TLS Feature Extension advertising that the status_request feature of OCSP stapling is available and supported by the subscriber. 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