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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I recognize that there is a self-reporting requirement and that SSAC Report #58 released this year has some recommendations that, if adopted, will greatly improve the WHOIS contents. Considering the large number of WHOIS listings that are incorrect and that self-reported data is not permitted under EV, I think other verification requirements are more effective at determining the controller/owner of the website.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think looking at what registrars do is a good way to expand the domain validation scope. However, I think the Forum already has several effective methods of verifying domain names in the BRs, and I do not see the harm in permitting these same procedures for EV.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jeremy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> public-bounces@cabforum.org [mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ryan Hurst<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 06, 2013 10:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> jeremy.rowley@digicert.com; 'Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)'; public@cabforum.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Proposed motion to modify EV domain verification section<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Since 2003 ICANN has required the information to be validated yearly - <a href="http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/consensus-policies/wdrp">http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/consensus-policies/wdrp</a> the policy was poorly written, did not consider global privacy requirements and is not enforced but it is at least mandated; <a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20120719_a_confession_about_icann_whois_data_reminder_policy/">http://www.circleid.com/posts/20120719_a_confession_about_icann_whois_data_reminder_policy/</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I understand one of the key reasons of non-enforcement is that ICANN feels they do not have the teeth to do so in the existing contracts with registrars.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I also understand that they have addressed this contractual teeth issue with the gTLD contracts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As we look at this topic I believe it is best to consider both what registrars are required to do and build mitigations based on what they truly do.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ryan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a> [<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeremy Rowley<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 06, 2013 9:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)'; <a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Proposed motion to modify EV domain verification section<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We do require a human interaction (and that won’t change) when we verify the certificate requester. However, that is separate from domain verification. Considering that WHOIS information is essentially non-verified information, I don’t think the WHOIS check provides any insight about the domain’s operator. Until ICANN requires verification of each domain applicant, the WHOIS information is less reliable (IMO) than several of the verification methods permitted under the baseline requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a> [<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 06, 2013 9:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Proposed motion to modify EV domain verification section<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>On 05/06/2013 05:42 PM, From Rich Smith: <o:p></o:p></p><pre>What's more, the EV requirement around domain verification is currently LESS<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>SECURE than OV/DV in this regard as it ONLY requires looking at WHOIS. To<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the best of my knowledge there has never been a case of any mis-issuance of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>a certificate to an unauthorized domain where a technical mechanism was used<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to verify domain authorization.<o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>If anything we should probably require a technical verification <b>and</b> a human interaction via WHOIS to really improve it.<br><br>I'm not sure... if we'd simply rely on technical verification under certain circumstances certificates could be issued unintentional and then in the EV level. I'm not very comfortable with the thought to solemnly rely on a domain control validation. <br><br>Also EV certificates should probably identify the entity that stands behind the web site (even though the guidelines allow for authorization and delegation of sites to a validated entity), it requires either a lookup at the WHOIS records and/or web sites involved to confirm that.<o:p></o:p></p><pre>It is also extremely frustrating for a customer who, for example, gets a<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>request from us to unmask whois, gets an email sent to a WHOIS contact and<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>responds to it, then gets another request that they now have go back in and<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>change the WHOIS info because we have found it to not match now that we can<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>see it. From their point of view, the email established that they own the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>domain so we are now just wasting their time.<o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Yes, probably most of us are aware of the difficulties with that, on the other hand it also relays to the parties involved that an EV isn't that easy to get. Agreed that your proposal would reduce some of the hassle with that and make EV more convenient.<o:p></o:p></p><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td colspan=2 style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Regards <o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Signer: <o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Eddy Nigg, COO/CTO<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.startcom.org">StartCom Ltd.</a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>XMPP: <o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="xmpp:startcom@startcom.org">startcom@startcom.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Blog: <o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://blog.startcom.org">Join the Revolution!</a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Twitter: <o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://twitter.com/eddy_nigg">Follow Me</a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>