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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I would say that no changes are needed to our IPR policy for members.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">We already have a provision by which a Member can seek exemption from the policy for “Affiliates”, which in most cases would allow Members who are owned by private equity
groups to get an exemption for the private equity owner and for other companies owned by the same private equity owner (we would just want confirmation that the Member does not assign its IP to another entity, and that the Member does not license IP from an
Affiliate on a basis not available to others). That solves the “Affiliate” problem raised by some former Members.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Otherwise, the former Members who quit are free to rejoin the Forum under our current IPR Policy and follow the same procedures that the rest of us do.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> public-bounces@cabforum.org [mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Benjamin T. Wilson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 15, 2012 7:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> public@cabforum.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Straw Poll on IPR Policy Scope (Membership vs. Participation)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks everyone who has responded. I'll close the poll later today and tally up the votes. It appears, however, that option H is preferred. Let's assume, for analysis purposes only, that is the case, then would we now revisit the IPR
policy at all, or not? <br>
Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ben<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Nov 15, 2012, at 5:27 AM, "Madell, William" <<a href="mailto:bill.madell@trustis.com">bill.madell@trustis.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ben,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Trustis supports options C and H, in that order.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers,<br>
Bill</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a> [<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ben Wilson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 13 November 2012 19:24<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ben@digicert.com">ben@digicert.com</a>; <a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">
public@cabforum.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Straw Poll on IPR Policy Scope (Membership vs. Participation)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This straw poll is still open. The IPR working group needs everyone’s input.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ben</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a> [<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ben Wilson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 08, 2012 12:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cabfpub] Straw Poll on IPR Policy Scope (Membership vs. Participation)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">This email announces a straw poll. Please respond before this time next week.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">During the IPR Policy telephone call this week, the IPR group discussed proposed language for defining when RF licensing would and would not apply. The current proposal
would grant a safe-harbor from RF licensing by using the following language:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">“Notwithstanding any other provision of this IPR Policy, only the affirmative act of [technical participation] (or otherwise agreeing to the licensing terms described here)
will obligate a CAB Forum Member to the CAB Forum RF License. Mere membership in the CAB Forum alone, without other factors, does not give rise to the CAB Forum RF License obligation under this IPR Policy.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The group requires input from the membership on how, and if/when, we should define “technical participation”. We are conducting a straw poll to help the group decide on
the appropriate language. This straw poll is based on the instant runoff ballot process (single transferable vote) used during the governance reform. The end result of the ballot will be provided to the IPR group sometime next week. Please choose your order
of preference for each choice you are willing to accept and respond to this email before next Thursday. Entrust, Identrust, RSA, T-Systems, PayPal, ETSI, and WebTrust should also indicate their preferences, if they want, since whatever decision we make might
also apply to them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The choices are listed below. Where applicable, “Contribution” will be defined to mean “material, including Draft Guidelines, Draft Guideline text, and modifications to
other Contributions, made verbally or in a tangible form of expression (including in electronic media) which is provided by a Participant in the process of developing a Draft Guideline for the purpose of incorporating such material into a Draft Guideline or
a Final Guideline. For a verbal contribution to be deemed a Contribution hereunder it must be memorialized within approved meeting minutes of the CAB Forum.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">For your response, where applicable, replace the bracketed phrase “[technical participation]” above with the quoted language below:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">A --- “technical participation, as defined by rules of the CAB Forum”.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Rationale: Reinstating the members who left is of the utmost urgency. They would like a provision that distinguishes the type of participation that would give rise to an
RF licensing obligation. We can find a definition that works well for the Forum and all its members once a new IPR policy is adopted and the governance reform is complete and the members who left are able to provide input.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">B --- “making a Contribution or Voting on any matter on which a vote is sought concerning a Guideline”.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Rationale: Members should not be able to contribute to work product or vote on work product without either filing exclusion notices or granting an RF license. This is necessary
to ensure that the Forum doesn’t pass guidelines containing patented material.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">C --- “making a Contribution or Voting in favor of a Guideline”.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Rationale: There is little risk in members voting “No” or “Abstain” since that cannot result in the adoption of patented subject material. Therefore, members should be able
to vote against guidelines without triggering the IPR policy requirements.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">D --- “making a Contribution”.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Rationale: Voting does not influence the actual contents of the Forum’s work product and does not add to a document’s requirements. By the time a vote occurs, the Forum
should have already determined whether the document covers a member’s IP rights. Therefore, all members should be able to vote on a guideline without triggering IPR policy requirements.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">E --- “making a Contribution”, provided that the following sentence of the section is modified to read, “Mere membership in the CAB Forum alone, without other factors, does
not give rise to the CAB Forum RF License obligation under this IPR Policy, unless the Member votes in favor of the Guideline having personal knowledge that it contains an Essential Claim that has not been disclosed to the CAB Forum.”
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Rationale: The goal of the IPR policy is to ensure that all members are aware of the IP that might touch on a final guideline. Plus, voting does not influence the actual
contents of the Forum’s work product and does not add to a document’s requirements. As long as a member isn’t aware of any hidden IP, permitting the member to vote on a guideline does not risk compromising the IPR’s intended goal of disclosure and avoiding
the adoption of guidelines containing patented material.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">F --- “making a Contribution to the Guideline, Voting in favor of the Guideline, joining a Working Group (if one is chartered to develop the Guideline), or attending 3 or
more meetings during which the Guideline was discussed” </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Rationale: Limiting member participation for those unwilling to abide by the IPR will prevent bad actors from obtaining IP rights on upcoming guidelines. This language prevents
members from running to the patent office to file a patent on upcoming work product and prevents a member from, directly or indirectly, inserting IP covered provisions in work product.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">G --- “making a Contribution or attending one (1) face-to-face meeting or more than three (3) meetings remotely in the 12-month period preceding the adoption of the Guideline”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Rationale: The specific provisions in Guidelines change and what is an Essential Claim may change leading up to adoption. Therefore, the real risk of a member filing a
patent on proposed material is during the 12 months prior to adoption. Limiting participation to this threshold would allow a member that doesn’t participate much, but wants to vote on guidelines, to maintain its membership without having the obligations
of the Forum’s IPR policy apply as long as its participation does not go above a certain level. Once the document heads towards adoption, member participation is restricted to prevent inclusion of patent encumbered provisions and prevent the possibility of
filing new patents covering proposed guideline material.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">H --- No change (CABF members grant RF license unless they comply with Section 4).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Rationale: The IPR is intended to prevent the Forum from adopting guidelines that contain patent-controlled material of members. Providing a safe-harbor limits this requirement
and counters the original intent behind the IPR’s adoption. Members are free to adopt the current IPR, but the Guidelines are few and easy enough to review that special accommodations should not be provided simply because a member owns IP.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I --- Other. (Please provide a suggested solution and explanation on why none of the other options satisfactorily address your concerns)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Rationale: None of the suggested paths meet the Forum’s needs. The Forum needs to focus on a different solution to the problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Ben</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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