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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">On this point, I revert to what I have said before – I have never believed that CAs themselves (alone) could impose requirements on other CAs – their competitors – through the Forum or otherwise. That raises
serious competition and antitrust issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I have always viewed the Forum as a place where CAs and browsers together can develop recommendations for best practices via Guidelines – but they are not binding on any CA because of Forum action. The Guidelines
only become binding on CAs if one or more browsers independently choose to incorporate them as requirements for participation in their trusted root programs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">For this reason, I don’t think any recommended requirement or best practices guideline should ever be adopted by the Forum without positive input (i.e., a yes vote) from at least one browser.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> public-bounces@cabforum.org [mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rich Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 15, 2012 2:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)'; public@cabforum.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] [cabfman] Ballot [94] - Adoption of CA/Browser Forum Bylaws<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> public-bounces@cabforum.org
[mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D">[RWS]
</span></i></b><span style="color:#1F497D"><snip></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> If a change to the guidelines doesn't provide any benefit to the relying parties (e.g. browsers) then it might be questionable if it's
really necessary or if it's just something some CAs would like to have. </span><b><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">[RWS]
</span></i></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D"></snip><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D">[RWS] But if it doesn't have any detrimental effect to relying parties and is beneficial to CAs and/or their customers, then I would definitely not call that unnecessary. Going
back to ballot 88 we had placed restrictions that had real consequences for a subscriber with a very legitimate use case. I don't consider the changes made by that ballot unnecessary at all. And I think the government of a widely recognized independent country
whose problem we solved would agree.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D">-Rich</span></i></b><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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