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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Good point, Eddy, but if someone is in the room or on a call, it’s extremely awkward to demand total silence.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">We have tried to allow the general public to be “observers” in the sense you have defined below by letting them see the list-serv postings and minutes, etc. – but not post – but I don’t think that is what
Jeremy was proposing. I think Jeremy was proposing that CAs who don’t sign the IPR can attend meetings and talk, but just not vote (as in the past).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> public-bounces@cabforum.org [mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 25, 2012 9:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> public@cabforum.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cabfpub] Observers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On 08/25/2012 03:48 AM, From <a href="mailto:kirk_hall@trendmicro.com:">kirk_hall@trendmicro.com:</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">To my mind, there is a bigger danger from allowing CAs to participate as “observers” without signing the IPR than there is for other necessary experts (e.g., auditors).
As I know from AffirmTrust’s experience as an observer, observers contribute ideas and suggestions just as freely as members.
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Perhaps we should define "Observer", not everybody has the same understanding what that is:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">A person who watches or notices something.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">A person who follows events, esp. political ones, closely and comments publicly on them.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">In my opinion, an "observer" doesn't really participate, even if that's what our "observers" many times do or did ;-)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Eddy Nigg, COO/CTO<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><a href="http://blog.startcom.org">Join the Revolution!</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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