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    On 08/25/2012 03:58 AM, From <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kirk_hall@trendmicro.com:">kirk_hall@trendmicro.com:</a>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: windowtext;">Good
            point, Eddy, but if someone is in the room or on a call,
            it’s extremely awkward to demand total silence. 
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    That's what an observer is....<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p>We
            have tried to allow the general public to be “observers” in
            the sense you have defined below by letting them see the
            list-serv postings and minutes, etc. – but not post – but I
            don’t think that is what Jeremy was proposing.  I think
            Jeremy was proposing that CAs who don’t sign the IPR can
            attend meetings and talk, but just not vote (as in the
            past).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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    ...and this I'd consider a non-voting member. A tiny difference
    perhaps - which would also make your opposition clearer.<br>
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            <td>Signer: </td>
            <td>Eddy Nigg, COO/CTO</td>
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            <td><a href="xmpp:startcom@startcom.org">startcom@startcom.org</a></td>
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            <td>Blog: </td>
            <td><a href="http://blog.startcom.org">Join the Revolution!</a></td>
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