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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I have several questions for the authors of the various proposals. I think the answers would be of interest to the general CAB Forum:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Paypal:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>If I understand your proposal correctly, there are 3 groups at the Board level and ratification requires a 2/3 vote of the constituencies. But the third group can veto the vote if all members of that group are unanimous, is that correct? So for example, if CAs and Trust store operators vote on something but all members of the User group unanimously vote against it, it doesn’t pass?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>What is the rationale for the number “9” for the CA group? How was this number arrived at?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>It’s not clear whether everyone has to sign up to an IPR policy or just those in the working groups?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>This proposal seems to be biased against larger companies in terms of the fee structure. Can you comment on that? Also, is the fee based on the number of people in the overall company or just the division that deals with SSL/PKI?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Trend:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>This looks like essentially what we have now but with the addition of moderated working groups in which the moderator makes a recommendation after synthesizing the “voice” of the work group and then brings it to a vote of the forum. The forum voting rules are the same as today. Is this a correct characterization?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>That’s it for now, more to come as I keep diving into them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><br>Dean Coclin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Symantec<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> public-bounces@cabforum.org [mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ben Wilson<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 11:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> public@cabforum.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [cabfpub] Ballot [85] - Governance Reform<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=line874 style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>Forwarded to the Public List ===<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>Tom Albertson made the following motion and Bill Madell and Jeremy Rowley endorsed it:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>Pursuant to a motion made and approved at the face-to-face meeting of Forum members in Gjovik Norway, the CAB Forum has posted the four (4) governance proposals to <a href="http://www.cabforum.org">http://www.cabforum.org</a>, and indicated that one of these governance proposals, or a “no change” proposal, should be adopted by the Forum, by the following voting process:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>A seven (7) day review period, followed by<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>A seven (7) day voting period, during which an <u>instant run-off ballot</u> is conducted to eliminate all but two of the proposals..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo4;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>The <u>instant run off ballot</u> is among the following proposals (listed in alphabetical order):<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><a href="http://www.cabforum.org/governance/DigiCert_Governance_Proposal.pdf">DigiCert</a> Proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><a href="http://www.cabforum.org/governance/Microsoft_Governance_Proposal.pdf">Microsoft</a> Proposal<br><br>No Change Proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><a href="http://www.cabforum.org/governance/PayPal_Governance_Proposal.pdf">PayPal</a> Proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><a href="http://www.cabforum.org/governance/Trend_Micro_Governance_Proposal.pdf">Trend Micro</a> Proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=Body1 style='text-indent:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=Body1 style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>Note: The <u>instant run-off ballot</u> shall be conducted as follows.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=Body1 style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=Body1 style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>Where there are '5' initial proposals, each voting member may assign the numbers 1 to 5 to the proposals in order of preference (1 indicating their most preferred choice). Each member who votes shall (at least) assign the number '1', and may assign further numbers up to and including '5'.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=Body1 style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=Body1 style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>Votes ranked '1' shall be counted and the proposal with the fewest votes shall be eliminated. The votes of the corresponding members shall be reassigned to the proposal ranked '2' by those members. Where a member has not identified a proposal with rank '2', his or her vote shall not be reassigned.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=Body1 style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=Body1 style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>This procedure shall be repeated, counting reassigned votes, until just two proposals remain.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo4;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>Votes will be tallied and the two remaining proposals receiving first and second status from the run-off ballot process shall proceed to the <u>final ballot</u>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo4;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>A two week period will occur during which the authors of the two remaining proposals on the <u>final ballot</u> may modify their proposals while keeping to the spirit of the proposal that he or she posted to <a href="http://www.cabforum.org">http://www.cabforum.org</a>. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo4;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>A <u>final ballot</u> will be offered to select between the two remaining proposals, by the following voting process:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l6 level2 lfo4;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>A seven (7) day review period, followed by<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l6 level2 lfo4;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>A seven (7) day voting period.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo4;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>Votes will be tallied and the proposal receiving a simple majority of votes in favor will be deemed the governance policy that the Forum will pursue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo4;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>6.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>A period of undefined duration during which the author of the successful proposal shall refine the proposal in order to ensure its completeness, while keeping within the spirit of the proposal that he or she posted to <a href="http://www.cabforum.org">http://www.cabforum.org</a>. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo4;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>7.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>A <u>ratification ballot</u> conducted in accordance with established Forum procedures to ratify the proposal that emerged from step 5 (above).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:windowtext'>--MOTION BEGINS--</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:windowtext'>The members shall conduct an <u>instant run-off ballot</u> as described above. Votes will be tallied, and members shall conduct a <u>final ballot</u> between the two proposals with first and second status. Once a governance policy is selected, it will be further refined and put before the membership in the form of a <u>ratification ballot</u>. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>This ballot review period comes into effect at 2100 UTC on 10 August 2012 and will close at 2100 UTC on 17 August 2012. Unless the motion is withdrawn during the review period, the entire voting period for 3 ballots will proceed as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>7 day review period for this motion, closing on 17 August 2012<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>7 day voting period, closing on 24 August 2012<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>14 day period for modification of two final proposals, closing on 7 September 2012<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>7 day review period for two final proposals, closing on 14 September 2012<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>7 day voting period, closing on 21 September 2012<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>A period of undefined duration for refinement of the final proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>7 day review period, closing on date TBD<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>7 day voting period, closing on date TBD<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>Votes must be cast by posting an on-list reply to this thread.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line867 style='background:white;orphans:
2;text-align:-webkit-auto;widows: 2;-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><strong><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>--MOTION ENDS--</span></strong><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='background:white;orphans:
2;text-align:-webkit-auto;widows: 2;-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>For the <u>instant run-off ballot</u>, votes for preferred proposals must clearly indicate a number 1 for the most preferred choice, and optionally 2 for the second most preferred, and so on (see above “Note” for details).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>For the <u>final ballot</u>, voters will choose a preferred option between two proposals, with the winner receiving a simple majority of votes. Votes must indicate a clear “Yes” in the response for their preferred option. Since the final ballot is for the preferred option no “no” response should be given, only a “yes” or “abstain.”, A vote to abstain must indicate a clear “abstain” in the response. Unclear responses will not be counted. The latest vote received from any representative of a voting member before the close of the voting period will be counted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>For the <u>ratification ballot</u>, votes will be tallied in accordance with established Forum procedures.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line874 style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>Voting members are listed here:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=line867 style='background:white;orphans:
2;text-align:-webkit-auto;widows: 2;-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><a href="http://www.cabforum.org/forum.html"><span style='border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'>http://www.cabforum.org/forum.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='orphans:
2;text-align:-webkit-auto;widows: 2;-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>In order for the ratification ballot conducted in step (7) above to be adopted, as the Forum is currently constituted, two thirds or more of the votes cast by members in the CA category and one half or more of the votes cast by members in the browser<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>