<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000; font-size:10pt;"><div>Carsten - that page was updated over a week ago. Which CAs are incorrectly listed?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Wayne</div><div><br><br></div>
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Subject: RE: [cabfpub] Ballot [85] - Governance Reform<br>
From: <<a href="mailto:Carsten.Dahlenkamp@t-systems.com">Carsten.Dahlenkamp@t-systems.com</a>><br>
Date: Mon, August 13, 2012 12:54 am<br>
To: <<a href="mailto:ben@digicert.com">ben@digicert.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:wthayer@godaddy.com">wthayer@godaddy.com</a>><br>
Cc: <<a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
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</style><div class="WordSection1"><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">Hi Ben, hi Wayne, <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line867" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">don’t want to be a nitpicker </span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"> , but I just saw that the Forum’s website </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.cabforum.org/forum.html"><span style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">http://www.cabforum.org/forum.html</span></a> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">still shows the member list before the IPR was effective.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"> Carsten<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7B7C7E">Carsten Dahlenkamp</span><span style="color:#1F497D"> <br></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7B7C7E">T-Systems International GmbH</span><span style="color:#1F497D"> <br></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7B7C7E">Trust Center Applications</span><span style="color:#1F497D"> <br></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7B7C7E">Untere Industriestraße 20, 57250 Netphen, Germany </span><span style="color:#1F497D"><br></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7B7C7E">+49 271 708-1643 (Tel.)</span><span style="color:#1F497D"> <br></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7B7C7E">E-Mail: <a href="mailto:carsten.dahlenkamp@t-systems.com">carsten.dahlenkamp@t-systems.com</a></span><span style="color:#1F497D"> <br></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7B7C7E"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.t-systems.com">http://www.t-systems.com</a>, <a target="_blank" href="http://www.telesec.de">http://www.telesec.de</a></span><span style="color:#1F497D"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">public-bounces@cabforum.org</a> [<a href="mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org">mailto:public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ben Wilson<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 10, 2012 8:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:public@cabforum.org">public@cabforum.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [cabfpub] Ballot [85] - Governance Reform<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div class="line874" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">Forwarded to the Public List ===<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">Tom Albertson made the following motion and Bill Madell and Jeremy Rowley endorsed it:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">Pursuant to a motion made and approved at the face-to-face meeting of Forum members in Gjovik Norway, the CAB Forum has posted the four (4) governance proposals to <a target="_blank" href="http://www.cabforum.org">http://www.cabforum.org</a>, and indicated that one of these governance proposals, or a “no change” proposal, should be adopted by the Forum, by the following voting process:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">A seven (7) day review period, followed by<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">b.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">A seven (7) day voting period, during which an <u>instant run-off ballot</u> is conducted to eliminate all but two of the proposals..<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">The <u>instant run off ballot</u> is among the following proposals (listed in alphabetical order):<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.cabforum.org/governance/DigiCert_Governance_Proposal.pdf">DigiCert</a> Proposal<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.cabforum.org/governance/Microsoft_Governance_Proposal.pdf">Microsoft</a> Proposal<br><br>No Change Proposal<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.cabforum.org/governance/PayPal_Governance_Proposal.pdf">PayPal</a> Proposal<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.cabforum.org/governance/Trend_Micro_Governance_Proposal.pdf">Trend Micro</a> Proposal<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="Body1" style="text-indent:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="Body1" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">Note: The <u>instant run-off ballot</u> shall be conducted as follows.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="Body1" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="Body1" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">Where there are '5' initial proposals, each voting member may assign the numbers 1 to 5 to the proposals in order of preference (1 indicating their most preferred choice). Each member who votes shall (at least) assign the number '1', and may assign further numbers up to and including '5'.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="Body1" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="Body1" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">Votes ranked '1' shall be counted and the proposal with the fewest votes shall be eliminated. The votes of the corresponding members shall be reassigned to the proposal ranked '2' by those members. Where a member has not identified a proposal with rank '2', his or her vote shall not be reassigned.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="Body1" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="Body1" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">This procedure shall be repeated, counting reassigned votes, until just two proposals remain.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">Votes will be tallied and the two remaining proposals receiving first and second status from the run-off ballot process shall proceed to the <u>final ballot</u>.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">A two week period will occur during which the authors of the two remaining proposals on the <u>final ballot</u> may modify their proposals while keeping to the spirit of the proposal that he or she posted to <a target="_blank" href="http://www.cabforum.org">http://www.cabforum.org</a>. <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">4.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">A <u>final ballot</u> will be offered to select between the two remaining proposals, by the following voting process:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4;background:white"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">A seven (7) day review period, followed by<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4;background:white"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">b.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">A seven (7) day voting period.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">5.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">Votes will be tallied and the proposal receiving a simple majority of votes in favor will be deemed the governance policy that the Forum will pursue.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">6.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">A period of undefined duration during which the author of the successful proposal shall refine the proposal in order to ensure its completeness, while keeping within the spirit of the proposal that he or she posted to <a target="_blank" href="http://www.cabforum.org">http://www.cabforum.org</a>. <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;background:white"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">7.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">A <u>ratification ballot</u> conducted in accordance with established Forum procedures to ratify the proposal that emerged from step 5 (above).<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">--MOTION BEGINS--</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">The members shall conduct an <u>instant run-off ballot</u> as described above. Votes will be tallied, and members shall conduct a <u>final ballot</u> between the two proposals with first and second status. Once a governance policy is selected, it will be further refined and put before the membership in the form of a <u>ratification ballot</u>. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><br><br></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">This ballot review period comes into effect at 2100 UTC on 10 August 2012 and will close at 2100 UTC on 17 August 2012. Unless the motion is withdrawn during the review period, the entire voting period for 3 ballots will proceed as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">7 day review period for this motion, closing on 17 August 2012<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">7 day voting period, closing on 24 August 2012<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">14 day period for modification of two final proposals, closing on 7 September 2012<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">7 day review period for two final proposals, closing on 14 September 2012<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">7 day voting period, closing on 21 September 2012<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">A period of undefined duration for refinement of the final proposal<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">7 day review period, closing on date TBD<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">7 day voting period, closing on date TBD<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">Votes must be cast by posting an on-list reply to this thread.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line867" style="background:white;orphans: 2;text-align:-webkit-auto;widows: 2;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px"><strong><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">--MOTION ENDS--</span></strong><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="background:white;orphans: 2;text-align:-webkit-auto;widows: 2;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">For the <u>instant run-off ballot</u>, votes for preferred proposals must clearly indicate a number 1 for the most preferred choice, and optionally 2 for the second most preferred, and so on (see above “Note” for details).<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">For the <u>final ballot</u>, voters will choose a preferred option between two proposals, with the winner receiving a simple majority of votes. Votes must indicate a clear “Yes” in the response for their preferred option. Since the final ballot is for the preferred option no “no” response should be given, only a “yes” or “abstain.”, A vote to abstain must indicate a clear “abstain” in the response. Unclear responses will not be counted. The latest vote received from any representative of a voting member before the close of the voting period will be counted.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">For the <u>ratification ballot</u>, votes will be tallied in accordance with established Forum procedures.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line874" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">Voting members are listed here:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="line867" style="background:white;orphans: 2;text-align:-webkit-auto;widows: 2;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.cabforum.org/forum.html"><span style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">http://www.cabforum.org/forum.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;orphans: 2;text-align:-webkit-auto;widows: 2;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US">In order for the ratification ballot conducted in step (7) above to be adopted, as the Forum is currently constituted, two thirds or more of the votes cast by members in the CA category and one half or more of the votes cast by members in the browser<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div></div>
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