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    Hi Tim,<br>
    <br>
    On 08/10/2012 06:24 PM, From Tim Moses:
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        <p class="MsoNormal">We did not agree with the IPR for three
          reasons:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">The
            presumption that innovation protected by patents – but not
            other IP -- should be free.  Unlike many members of the
            forum, we have spent significant sums to create a
            substantial patent portfolio related to certificate
            management and saw the IPR policy as a coercive  attempt to
            decrease significantly the value of that portfolio<o:p></o:p></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">The
            administrative requirement to maintain our portfolio exempt
            from the royalty free licensing provisions of the IPR would
            be burdensome for a small company with a large relevant
            portfolio<o:p></o:p></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">The
            provision in the IPR requiring us to bind all our related
            companies would require us to bind portfolio companies of
            our owner in unrelated businesses, and that is particularly
            problematic for privately-held portfolio companies.<o:p></o:p></li>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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    <br>
    Unfortunately this is not entirely the same thing that was published
    here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.entrust.com/news/2012-08-09-CA-Browser-Forums-Mandated-Royalty-Free-Intellectual-Property-Policy-Change-Requires-Entrust-to-Withdraw-from-Organization-it-Co-Founded-Co-Chaired-for-6-Years">http://www.entrust.com/news/2012-08-09-CA-Browser-Forums-Mandated-Royalty-Free-Intellectual-Property-Policy-Change-Requires-Entrust-to-Withdraw-from-Organization-it-Co-Founded-Co-Chaired-for-6-Years</a><br>
    <br>
    I'm not and wasn't on the forefront on this effort, but when reading
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cabforum.org/IPR_Policy_V1.pdf">http://www.cabforum.org/IPR_Policy_V1.pdf</a> it appears to me that
    Entrust's public statements talk about a different agreement.<br>
    <br>
    The claim that the agreement requires to provide a royalty-free
    license to other members is a lie which I'm sure you are very well
    aware of. There are other claims in this article which makes the
    entire thing questionable.<br>
    <br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Many<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>members
          had<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>similar or<span
            class="apple-converted-space"> </span>other reasons for not
          signing<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>up to the
          IPR<span class="apple-converted-space"> policy</span> and we
          understand that about 40% of the membership has withdrawn.  <br>
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    <br>
    Out of those 40% the majority were not active members and haven't
    contributed anything and nothing during the last few years I've been
    here. It's however indeed regrettable that some important members
    left for the time-being.<br>
    <br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Unfortunately, we are aware that a few
          remaining forum members have inaccurately described both our
          motives for leaving the Forum and our resulting ability to
          provide standards compliant solutions.  We are disappointed
          with this tactic and will pursue any means necessary to
          protect our reputation and business. <o:p>
          </o:p></p>
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    So why is Entrust attacking many <i>smaller, unproven CAs</i>
    instead, that have absolutely nothing to do with it? This isn't less
    disappointing if you ask me.<br>
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            <td>Eddy Nigg, COO/CTO</td>
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            <td><a href="xmpp:startcom@startcom.org">startcom@startcom.org</a></td>
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