[cabfpub] Ballot 141 - Reposted

Tue Jan 13 09:07:54 UTC 2015

FESA? This is the closest organization I've ever known, nobody knows what they do except their members :)

I think Jeremy has collected even more country specific insurance requirement.

Thanks,
M.D.

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From: i-barreira at izenpe.net 
Date: 13/01/2015  10:48  (GMT+02:00) 
To: adriano.santoni at staff.aruba.it,public at cabforum.org 
Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 141 - Reposted 

Adriano,

This is in an internal document of FESA that I was not allowed to distribute but I thought that copying that table can help on the discussion.

Regards

Iñigo Barreira
Responsable del Área técnica
i-barreira at izenpe.net
945067705

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De: public-bounces at cabforum.org [mailto:public-bounces at cabforum.org] En nombre de Adriano Santoni
Enviado el: martes, 13 de enero de 2015 9:44
Para: public at cabforum.org
Asunto: Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 141 - Reposted

Iñigo,

may I ask you where did you find the amount you quote below for Italy?
I am not aware of any law or regulation mentioning it....

Thx
Adriano

Il 12/01/2015 14:45, i-barreira at izenpe.net ha scritto:
FYI regarding insurance. This is what current national law says (regarding the directive/regulation) to the CAs which issues qualified certificates. And, IMHO, this is not going to change, or at least not significantly.
So, this means, that I´ll still need my insurance.

Iñigo Barreira
Responsable del Área técnica
i-barreira at izenpe.net
945067705

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De: public-bounces at cabforum.org [mailto:public-bounces at cabforum.org] En nombre de kirk_hall at trendmicro.com
Enviado el: miércoles, 07 de enero de 2015 19:01
Para: CABFPub (public at cabforum.org)
Asunto: [cabfpub] Ballot 141 - Reposted

I just realized we should re-post Ballots 141 and 142 to promote discussion, so here they are.

Ballot 141 – Elimination of EV Insurance Requirement; Financial Responsibility for Mis-Issued Certificates

The following motion has been proposed by Kirk Hall of Trend Micro and endorsed by Robin Alden of Comodo and Dean Coclin of Symantec.

Purpose

The existing insurance requirements of EV Guidelines Section 8.4 were intended to help assure the public that CAs would be financially responsible, but the requirements for Commercial General Liability and Professional Liability / Errors & Omissions insurance are not well suited for this purpose and do not apply to DV and OV certificates.

The current insurance requirements should be replaced by other, more effective financial responsibility requirements that are more directly focused on financial responsibility for potential harm to subscribers and relying parties from mis-issued certificates of all types. At present, CAs are permitted to limit their potential liability to subscribers and relying parties to $2,000 per EV certificate under EV Guidelines Section 18 and $0 per DV and OV certificate under Baseline Requirements Section 18.1.

This ballot (1) deletes the current EV insurance requirements at EV Guidelines Section 8.4, and (2) amends the EV Guidelines and the Baseline Requirements so that CAs are permitted to limit their potential liability to subscribers and relying parties to $10,000 per EV certificate, $5,000 per OV certificate, and $2,000 per OV certificate. This ballot does not otherwise change whatever legal liability a CA would or would not have for its certificates under applicable law.

-- MOTION BEGINS --

1. EV Guideline 8.4 is deleted.

2. EV Guideline Section 18 is amended to read as follows:

18. Liability and Indemnification CAs MAY limit their liability as described in Section 18 of the Baseline Requirements except that a CA MAY NOT limit its liability to Subscribers or Relying Parties for legally recognized and provable claims to a monetary amount less than two ten thousand US dollars per Subscriber or Relying Party per EV Certificate.

A CA's indemnification obligations and a Root CA’s obligations with respect to subordinate CAs are set forth in the Baseline Requirements.

3. Baseline Requirements Section 18.1 is amended to read as follows:

18.1 Liability to Subscribers and Relying Parties

If the CA has issued and managed the Certificate in compliance with these Requirements and its Certificate Policy and/or Certification Practice Statement, the CA MAY disclaim liability to the Certificate Beneficiaries or any other third parties for any losses suffered as a result of use or reliance on such Certificate beyond those specified in the CA's Certificate Policy and/or Certification Practice Statement. If the CA has not issued or managed the Certificate in compliance with these Requirements and its Certificate Policy and/or Certification Practice Statement, the CA MAY seek to limit its liability to the Subscriber and to Relying Parties, regardless of the cause of action or legal theory involved, for any and all claims, losses or damages suffered as a result of the use or reliance on such Certificate by any appropriate means that the CA desires. If the CA chooses to limit its liability for Certificates that are not issued or managed in compliance with these Requirements or its Certificate Policy and/or Certification Practice Statement, then the CA SHALL include the limitations on liability in the CA’s Certificate Policy and/or Certification Practice Statement. Notwithstanding the foregoing, a CA MAY NOT limit its liability to Subscribers or Relying Parties for legally recognized and provable claims to a monetary amount less than two thousand US dollars per Subscriber or Relying Party per DV Certificate or less than five thousand US dollars per Subscriber or Relying Party per OV Certificate.

-- MOTION ENDS --

The review period for this ballot shall commence at 2200 UTC on Monday, 5 January 2015, and will close at 2200 UTC on Wednesday, 12 January 2015. Unless the motion is withdrawn during the review period, the voting period will start immediately thereafter and will close at 2200 UTC on Wednesday, 19 January 2015. Votes must be cast by posting an on-list reply to this thread.

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In order for the motion to be adopted, two thirds or more of the votes cast by members in the CA category and greater than 50% of the votes cast by members in the browser category must be in favor. Quorum is currently nine (9) members– at least nine members must participate in the ballot, either by voting in favor, voting against, or abstaining.

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