[cabfcert_policy] CA vs. CAO
Moudrick M. Dadashov
md at ssc.lt
Wed Nov 23 10:15:22 MST 2016
no doubt, Peter, with all my patriotic feelings, I can't disagree with you.
eIDAS has got a lot of home work before we could promote it this way :)
Thanks,
M.D.
On 11/23/2016 5:30 PM, Peter Bowen wrote:
> Moudrick,
>
> I am aware that CSP was from the old 1999 directive and TSP is from
> eIDAS, but I think we should avoid both so there is no confusion.
>
> Thanks,
> Peter
>
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 4:04 AM, Moudrick M. Dadashov <md at ssc.lt
>> <mailto:md at ssc.lt>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> actually the term "Certification service provider" is no longer used
>> and replaced by far more generic “Trust Service Provider”.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> M.D.
>>
>> On 11/22/2016 9:13 PM, Peter Bowen wrote:
>>> +1
>>>
>>> It looks like “Certification Service Provider” and “Trust Service
>>> Provider” have specific meanings in EU directives and regulations,
>>> so I think we should avoid these terms
>>>
>>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:20 AM, Tim Hollebeek
>>>> <THollebeek at trustwave.com <mailto:THollebeek at trustwave.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with this, though I would oppose TSP on the grounds that it
>>>> introduces a potential for confusion between a European term that
>>>> has a very specific meaning, and the more generic definition of a CA.
>>>> -Tim
>>>> *From:*Policyreview [mailto:policyreview-bounces at cabforum.org]*On
>>>> Behalf Of*Dimitris Zacharopoulos
>>>> *Sent:*Monday, November 21, 2016 4:11 PM
>>>> *To:*Ben Wilson;policyreview at cabforum.org
>>>> <mailto:policyreview at cabforum.org>
>>>> *Subject:*Re: [cabfcert_policy] CA vs. CAO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> First of all, sorry I missed the last call. This topic was
>>>> discussed in previous F2F meetings and on several occasions. I
>>>> believe that nobody wants to go over changing every document that
>>>> has the term "CA" and change it to "CAO". If we are to do such a
>>>> big change, I would vote to use the term "Trust Service Provider -
>>>> TSP" in order to align with the European model.
>>>>
>>>> The majority of the CAs and auditors have linked the term "CA" with
>>>> an "organization". That's why it was agreed (on past meetings) that
>>>> we will not try to change the meaning of the term "CA" to mean
>>>> anything else but that of an organization. Instead, we would try to
>>>> use this term consistently (to refer to an organization) and
>>>> introduce changes to the other instances to mean something else.
>>>> That would introduce fewer changes in the BRs and EV guidelines.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dimitris.
>>>>
>>>> On 21/11/2016 10:47 μμ, Ben Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On our most recent call, Peter Bowen and I again discussed use
>>>> of “CA” vs. something else. (Back on May 5^th I sent out a
>>>> proposed “straw poll” to this group, but I don’t think I ever
>>>> sent it to the public list.) Peter and I like the term “CA
>>>> Operator” or abbreviated, “CAO”. The only downside, which is a
>>>> big one – I’ll admit, is that the term “CA” seems to be used
>>>> pervasively within the Forum and elsewhere to refer to the
>>>> entity that operates a CA.
>>>> Following our last call, I started to do a replacement of CA
>>>> with CAO to see how it would look/work, but I stopped because
>>>> there would be many instances to replace and I wanted to get
>>>> more of a consensus from this group and potentially the public
>>>> list.
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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