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These matters should be discussed at the respective WG. The
Infrastructure subcommittee is not related with this exclusion
notice.<br>
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Inigo, I suggest you forward these messages to the servercert-wg
mailing list and continue the discussion there.<br>
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Thank you,<br>
Dimitris.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/3/2024 9:24 μ.μ., Dean Coclin via
Infrastructure wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I think
those conclusions have to come from the PAG and
unfortunately, not you. They may come to the same
conclusions, but it’s better to be done that way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I would
suggest convening a PAG post haste and work through the
issues at hand.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Dean <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:infrastructure-bounces@cabforum.org"><infrastructure-bounces@cabforum.org></a> <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Inigo Barreira via Infrastructure<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 25, 2024 8:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ben Wilson via Infrastructure
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:infrastructure@cabforum.org"><infrastructure@cabforum.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Infrastructure] SC70 exclusion notice
filled<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I´m sending this email to this group,
knowing that this is maybe not the right group to discuss this
(I didn´t want to send it first to the management list) but in
where we have at least a lawyer (Ben) and an “interested
party” which could be Wayne as he´s listed in the patents even
not working now for GoDaddy.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The issue is, as you have read in the email
sent to the public list, that an exclusion notice has been
filled against ballot SC70. And I have some questions, some
regarding the procedure and some others regarding the
exclusion notice itself and what we have in the wiki.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As per the bylaws, section 2.4, item 9
(emphasis mine):<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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style="color:#333333;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;background:white"><i><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">If
Exclusion Notice(s) are filed during the Review Period
(as described in Section 4.3 of the IPR Policy), then <b>the
results of the Initial Vote are automatically
rescinded and deemed null and void</b>, and;<o:p></o:p></span></i></li>
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style="mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;background:white"><i><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">a.
<b>A Patent Advisory Group (PAG) will be formed</b>, in
accordance with Section 7 of the IPR Policy, to address
the conflict. The PAG will make a conclusion as described
in Section 7.3.2 of the IPR Policy, and communicate such
conclusion to the rest of the Forum, using the Member Mail
List and the Public Mail List; and<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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style="mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;background:white"><i><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">b.
After the PAG provides its conclusion, if the proposer and
endorsers decide to proceed with the Draft Guidelines
Ballot, and:<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">The
proposer and endorsers do not make any changes to the
Draft Guidelines Ballot, such ballot must go through
the steps described in Sections 2.4(2) through (4)
above, replacing the “Initial Vote” with a “Second
Vote.” If a Draft Guidelines Ballot passes the Second
Vote, then the results of the Second Vote are deemed
to be final and approved. Draft Guidelines then become
either Final Guidelines or Final Maintenance
Guidelines, as designated in the Draft Guidelines
Ballot. The Chair will notify the Public Mail List of
the approval, as well as update the public website of
Final Guidelines and Final Maintenance Guidelines; or<o:p></o:p></span></i></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3;background:white"><i><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">The
proposer and endorsers make changes to the Draft
Guidelines Ballot, a new Draft Guidelines Ballot must
be proposed, and must go through the steps described
in Sections 2.3(1) through (9) above.<o:p></o:p></span></i></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="color:#333333;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">So,
independently of the exclusion notice, the ballot is
considered null, there´s no new TLS BRs version and a PAG
need to be formed. I added this topic to the WG call agenda
for next Thursday (I won´t be running the call because I´m
on holidays for Easter) and I was going to send an email to
the SC public list indicating that the ballot is null (BTW,
we don´t have any kind of template to make such
communication). Is this the right interpretation of the
bylaws?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="color:#333333;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">OTOH,
about the exclusion notice itself. This is what I´ve found
that would like to share.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">This
exclusion notice contains 7 patents<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">#1
(Method for a web site with a proxy domain name
registration to receive a secure socket layer
certificate): Created in 2004 (there were no BRs at that
time), granted in 2010 and expires in 2017<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">#2
(Digital identity registration): Created in 2010,
granted in 2011 and expires in 2027<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">#3
(Methods and systems for dynamic updates of digital
certificates via subscription): Created in 2004 (there
were no BRs at that time), granted in 2013 and expires
in 2030<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">#4
(Website secure certificate status determination via
partner browser plugin): Created in 2010, granted in
2015 and expires in 2033<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">#5
(Systems for determining website secure certificate
status via partner browser plugin): Created in 2010,
granted in 2015 and expires in 2033<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">#6
(Determining website secure certificate status via
partner browser plugin) : Created in 2015, granted in
2017 and expires in 2031<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">#7
(Method and system for managing secure custom domains):
Created in 2017, granted in 2018 and expires in 2037.
This was initially filed and assigned to Lantirn INC and
later to the Bank of Canada. GoDaddy is not listed
anywhere.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">All
these 7 patents include a “no license granted” under
column License Grant Election Made<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">All of
them make a reference to the EVGs, but ballot SC70 does
not touch the EVGs but the TLS BRs<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">In the
wiki </span><span style="color:black" lang="ES"><a
href="https://wiki.cabforum.org/books/forum/page/ipr-policy-exclusion-notices"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">IPR Policy
Exclusion N... | CABF Wiki (cabforum.org)</span></a></span><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">,
there´re some exclusion notices filled but:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<ul type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">Patent
#1 declared in this PDF is already listed in the wiki
but with a slightly different number but under “willing
to license” it says “unstated”. <o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:inherit;color:#444444"><a
href="https://wiki.cabforum.org/books/smime-certificate-wg/page/godaddy"
title="godaddy" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;text-decoration:none">GoDaddy</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="border:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:4.5pt 6.0pt 4.5pt 6.0pt;box-sizing: border-box;outline-color: var(--color-primary);outline-width: 1px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch: inherit;font-size:inherit;font-optical-sizing: inherit;font-kerning: inherit;font-feature-settings: inherit;font-variation-settings: inherit;min-width: 10px;word-break:break-word;overflow:auto"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:inherit;color:#444444">31-July-2012<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:inherit;color:#444444">US Pat.
No.7,702,902<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<td
style="border:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:4.5pt 6.0pt 4.5pt 6.0pt;box-sizing: border-box;outline-color: var(--color-primary);outline-width: 1px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch: inherit;font-size:inherit;font-optical-sizing: inherit;font-kerning: inherit;font-feature-settings: inherit;font-variation-settings: inherit;min-width: 10px;word-break:break-word;overflow:auto"
valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:inherit;color:#444444">Unspecified<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="border:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:4.5pt 6.0pt 4.5pt 6.0pt;box-sizing: border-box;outline-color: var(--color-primary);outline-width: 1px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch: inherit;font-size:inherit;font-optical-sizing: inherit;font-kerning: inherit;font-feature-settings: inherit;font-variation-settings: inherit;min-width: 10px;word-break:break-word;overflow:auto"
valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:inherit;color:#444444">Method for a
web site with a proxy domain name registration to
receive a secure socket layer certificate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<td
style="border:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:4.5pt 6.0pt 4.5pt 6.0pt;box-sizing: border-box;outline-color: var(--color-primary);outline-width: 1px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch: inherit;font-size:inherit;font-optical-sizing: inherit;font-kerning: inherit;font-feature-settings: inherit;font-variation-settings: inherit;min-width: 10px;word-break:break-word;overflow:auto"
valign="top">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:inherit;color:#444444">Unstated<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">Regarding
the other patents I think those are new ones.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">In
the wiki list, there are some repeated (i.e., Generating
PKI email accounts on a web-based email system) with
different patent numbers, which I don´t know if it´s an
error or on purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">Clicking
on the PDF for the “GoDaddy patent exclusion notice” it
goes nowhere, there´s an error because the page is not
found. Same happens when you go to Discloser column
(first column) and click on GoDaddy<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="color:#333333;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">With
all of this, and of course, waiting for the conclusion from
the PAG, I´d like to provide some thoughts and a preliminary
opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">Can
this exclusion notice file be considered wrong due to
referencing the EVGs instead of the BRs which is what SC70
is touching?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">Can
this exclusion notice file considered invalid because of
the inclusion of a patent (#7) not related to GoDaddy?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">What´s
the reason for this exclusion notice in general,
considering is indicated the EVGs and not the BRs? Just to
add them to the wiki? <o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:#333333;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo7;background:white"><span
style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">In the
wiki there´re no reasons stated for example for #1 but in
this PDF file is indicated that no license granted, what
to do in this case?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="color:#333333;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="color:#333333;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:ES">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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