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--></style></head><body lang=en-SE link="#0563C1" vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Hi Dimitris,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo5'><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>I think we should remove the specific version number of the Bylaws. Members are bound to follow the latest version at all times.<br><br></span><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Agreed. Fixed in </span><span lang=SV><a href="https://github.com/cabforum/forum/pull/40/commits/3d8bc6b6c183392a4893b64632f9fca74deddfd3"><span lang=EN-US>https://github.com/cabforum/forum/pull/40/commits/3d8bc6b6c183392a4893b64632f9fca74deddfd3</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=SV><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>></span><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'> </span><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>Would people like to consider any of the changes <a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fforum%2Fblob%2Fc6850e24eb49d5cfcb00eae4d11e82544504bffb%2FSCWG-charter.md&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Ce488a8b9ec8e4d5d6dc408dbd12a95de%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638333753062747041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hjPIX%2B2TGoN6cafeHSXV2lIMXEh9Yhp3swXeXFduV%2Bw%3D&reserved=0">proposed</a> by Ben Wilson in the SCWG Charter regarding Probationary Members and how to End Membership? Some of the "End Membership" rules have been copied from the most recent Chartered Working Group, the S/MIME WG.<br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I’m somewhat hesitant on this item. While we may want to limit the number of ballots and thus including this, it seems more reasonable to wait with that until the SCWG charter is updated, and I expect this may need more discussion in the CSCWG before we do so. As such I’d propose we don’t include this in the current charter update, but do a follow-up for this at a later point in time. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><br>Any objections?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Regards,<br><br>Martijn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=mail-editor-reference-message-container><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <dzacharo@harica.gr><br><b>Date: </b>Friday, 20 October 2023 at 07:08<br><b>To: </b>Martijn Katerbarg <martijn.katerbarg@sectigo.com>, cscwg-public@cabforum.org <cscwg-public@cabforum.org><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Cscwg-public] Code Signing WG Charter update</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03'><span style='color:black'>CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Hi Martijn,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 20/9/2023 11:45 π.μ., Martijn Katerbarg via Cscwg-public wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I’m starting a new thread for this as was previously discussed. Prior to starting discussions at the Forum level, please review my suggested updates to the CSCWG charter in <a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fforum%2Fpull%2F40&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Ce488a8b9ec8e4d5d6dc408dbd12a95de%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638333753062747041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2FdXxfAAYgJQGQr7Zs3ZxIqHkNFaFUB5OHEE1QwhNjUk%3D&reserved=0">https://github.com/cabforum/forum/pull/40</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>This aims to: </span><o:p></o:p></p><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3'><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>Bump the Charter version</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3'><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>Add a limited scope for including timestamp certificates</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3'><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>Upgrade the version of the bylaws that we follow</span><o:p></o:p></li></ol></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'><br>I think we should remove the specific version number of the Bylaws. Members are bound to follow the latest version at all times.<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><ol start=4 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3'><o:p> </o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3'><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>During a ballot, count only members that are in a voting class, disregarding associate members and interested parties</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3'><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>Align Quorum definition as half the average, as the Bylaws have it set.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=SV>Comments, thoughts?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=SV> </span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'><br>Would people like to consider any of the changes <a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fforum%2Fblob%2Fc6850e24eb49d5cfcb00eae4d11e82544504bffb%2FSCWG-charter.md&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Ce488a8b9ec8e4d5d6dc408dbd12a95de%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638333753062747041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hjPIX%2B2TGoN6cafeHSXV2lIMXEh9Yhp3swXeXFduV%2Bw%3D&reserved=0">proposed</a> by Ben Wilson in the SCWG Charter regarding Probationary Members and how to End Membership? Some of the "End Membership" rules have been copied from the most recent Chartered Working Group, the S/MIME WG.<br><br><br>Thanks,<br>Dimitris.<br><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=SV>Regards,<br><br>Martijn</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Cscwg-public mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Cscwg-public@cabforum.org">Cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.cabforum.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fcscwg-public&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Ce488a8b9ec8e4d5d6dc408dbd12a95de%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638333753062747041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0PiLOI%2FZJKUoq5qdkbuJDPQgGSLDFCdZ9z5i3fw8L3c%3D&reserved=0">https://lists.cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/cscwg-public</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>