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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Faisal,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your review. I don’t believe there is a conflict. An enterprise customer or a Subscriber per section 6.2.7.4.1 must protect their private keys “in a Hardware Crypto Module with a unit design form factor certified as conforming
to at least FIPS 140<span lang="ZH-CN" style="font-family:DengXian">‐</span>2 Level 2 or Common Criteria EAL 4+.”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The ballot proposal is a Signing Service, which is not a customer or Subscriber, “SHALL protect Subscriber Private Keys in a Hardware Crypto Module conforming to at least FIPS 140-2 level 3 or Common Criteria EAL 4+.” Note that a Signing
Service provides key generation and protection to the Subscribers, if the Subscriber chooses this service. The Signing Service will also still be required to be audited to the requirements of the CSBRs including meeting the NetSec requirements.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, Bruce.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Faisal Razzak <raja.faisal@gmail.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 12, 2023 5:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bruce Morton <Bruce.Morton@entrust.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> cscwg-public@cabforum.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Cscwg-public] Ballot CSC-21: Signing Service Update<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Hi Bruce, Thank you for the response & clarification. Few observations: Line 66 is in conflict with Line 1380. Line 66 mentions FIPS 140-2 Level 2 and Line 1380
mentions FIPS 140-2 Level 3 . In my humble opinion, this is a significant change
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for the response & clarification. Few observations: <o:p></o:p></p>
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Line 66 is in conflict with Line 1380. Line 66 mentions FIPS 140-2 Level 2 and Line 1380 mentions FIPS 140-2 Level 3 . <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
In my humble opinion, this is a significant change for enterprise customers where they need to enforce Level 3 instead of Level 2 for their HSM infrastructure. Is CAB forum planning to give a grace period before this requirement update goes into enforcement
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In addition, my past knowledge around working with FIPS 140-2 Level 2 and FIPS 140-2 Level 3 is that automating key generation at Level 3 becomes an issue. I'll circle back on this topic. <o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Regards,<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 4:33 PM Bruce Morton <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Morton@entrust.com">Bruce.Morton@entrust.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 12, 2023 4:28 PM<br>
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<a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org" target="_blank">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Cscwg-public] Ballot CSC-21: Signing Service Update<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Good Day everyone, Reading the modified changes for Code Signing Baseline Requirements at: https: //github. com/cabforum/code-signing/compare/93ee9976cdc4e1104952146e3556800459694874. . 701d195fa95fe49e8a02435fc40fb0a018686866
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Reading the modified changes for Code Signing Baseline Requirements at:<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/cabforum/code-signing/compare/93ee9976cdc4e1104952146e3556800459694874..701d195fa95fe49e8a02435fc40fb0a018686866__;!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!ai_SiHTiSodTE_VWwZi8Z8QT_M2lCkP6nJYlFupqIB2vMo07Rcbx2E0bKw4GyZ1-pOj0h-PvD9Z5okpQ_IY$" target="_blank">https://github.com/cabforum/code-signing/compare/93ee9976cdc4e1104952146e3556800459694874..701d195fa95fe49e8a02435fc40fb0a018686866</a> .
Line number <b>1380 </b>now mentions <b>FIPS 140-2 Level 3.</b> Is it an intentional change or typo from the earlier requirement for using<b> FIPS 140-2 Level 2</b> for Subscriber Private Key associated with Code Signing Certificates? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Purpose of the Ballot</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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This ballot updates the “Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of Publicly‐Trusted Code Signing Certificates“ version 3.4 in order to clarify language regarding Signing Service and signing requests. The main goals of this ballot are to:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span class="m-1370283207666654175m8360872402985580497pl-mh">Remove requirements for signing request.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="m-1370283207666654175m8360872402985580497null" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<span class="m-1370283207666654175m8360872402985580497pl-mh">Change text so Signing Service is not categorized as a Delegated Third Party.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="m-1370283207666654175m8360872402985580497null" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<span class="m-1370283207666654175m8360872402985580497pl-mh">Not allow Signing Service to transport Private Key to Subscriber.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="m-1370283207666654175m8360872402985580497null" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<span class="m-1370283207666654175m8360872402985580497pl-mh">Ensure Network Security Requirements are applicable to Signing Service.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="m-1370283207666654175m8360872402985580497null" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<span class="m-1370283207666654175m8360872402985580497pl-mh">State audit requirements for Signing Service.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The following motion has been proposed by Bruce Morton of Entrust and endorsed by Tim Hollebeek of DigiCert and Ian McMillan.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This ballot updates the “Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of Publicly‐Trusted Code Signing Certificates” ("Code Signing Baseline Requirements") based on version
3.4. MODIFY the Code Signing Baseline Requirements as specified in the following redline:
<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/cabforum/code-signing/compare/93ee9976cdc4e1104952146e3556800459694874..701d195fa95fe49e8a02435fc40fb0a018686866__;!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!ai_SiHTiSodTE_VWwZi8Z8QT_M2lCkP6nJYlFupqIB2vMo07Rcbx2E0bKw4GyZ1-pOj0h-PvD9Z5okpQ_IY$" target="_blank">
https://github.com/cabforum/code-signing/compare/93ee9976cdc4e1104952146e3556800459694874..701d195fa95fe49e8a02435fc40fb0a018686866</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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