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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/2/2023 5:56 μ.μ., Bruce Morton
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Martijn,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I don’t
            think I can endorse the current proposal as it does not
            appear to be meeting the goal I was hoping for, which was to
            simplify the process. I do like the way that the
            requirements are defined in the SSL and S/MIME BRs. These
            documents give revocation time deadlines and reasons for
            each deadline.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I do
            understand that signing of suspect code is a little more
            complicated as the Subscriber may have good signatures, but
            then get compromised. I think we tried to address this
            issue, by providing 7-days to revoke a certificate which has
            signed suspect code. This would allow the CA, Subscriber and
            perhaps the Application Software Supplier to provide the
            earliest revocation date. Note, with private keys in
            hardware, the Subscriber will more likely be an attacker and
            will not respond.</span></p>
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    <br>
    If there is no response, then the CA revokes and can set the
    revocation date to the date before the signing of the Suspect Code.
    My suggestion on a previous meeting was the following:<br>
    <ul>
      <li>If the CA has reasonable assurance that a Certificate was used
        to sign Suspect Code, then the CA shall revoke the Certificate
        within 24h and set a revocation date to a date and time before
        the signing of the Suspect Code.</li>
    </ul>
    <p>There were concerns raised that this backdate revocation might
      invalidate other Code, not classified as "Suspect" and may cause
      more harm than good. I can't really see why we should allow
      Suspect Code to be executed and risk user's safety and personal
      data, because that Subscriber has signed other "good" Code after
      signing the Suspect Code.<br>
    </p>
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    <blockquote type="cite"
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Note, I
            don’t believe “Revoking a certificate at current time has
            absolutely no impact on existing signed malware” is true. If
            the suspect code is not time-stamped, then revoking at the
            current time will impact the suspect code signature and all
            other signatures which are not time-stamped. This might be
            the easiest and quickest way to deal with non-time-stamped
            signatures on suspect code. </span></p>
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    We rarely see non-timestamped code out there but Ian might be able
    to share some more insight with real numbers (timestamped code
    executed vs non-timestamped).<br>
    <br>
    I don't disagree with revoking immediately (at "current date") and
    setting a revocation date in the past after 5, 7 or 10 days to
    further mitigate the Relying Party risk.<br>
    <br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On the other
            hand, 7-days would allow the Subscriber to resign code they
            did not time-stamp. Although, I am not really in favor of
            providing extra time for Subscribers which are not
            time-stamping.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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    Agreed. Please see my previous comment.<br>
    <br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It would be
            great if after this ballot and the ballot that Dimitris is
            doing is if we had just sections 4.9.1.1 for 24-hour
            revocation and 4.9.1.2 for 7-day revocation. This would
            align the sections with the SSL and S/MIME BRs and probably
            our CPS documents.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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    <br>
    If Ian is ok with not requiring long delays for Subscriber impact
    assessments and contacting Application Software Suppliers at a
    Global level (which in my opinion wouldn't really scale), we could
    do the following:<br>
    <ul>
      <li>set the revocation timelines according to 4.9.1.1 and 4.9.1.2
        to align with TLS and S/MIME BR numbering, setting the
        "revocation date/time" at "current time"</li>
      <li>AND provide an option with a hard 7-days deadline after a
        Certificate Problem Report is received only to set the best
        "revocation time". The output of this second process will be
        either a "revocation time" before the signing of the Suspect
        Code, or a "more appropriate" one.</li>
    </ul>
    <p>Does that seem to work?</p>
    <p>Thanks,</p>
    <p>Dimitris.<br>
    </p>
    <br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Bruce.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt"> Cscwg-public
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"><cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org></a>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martijn Katerbarg via Cscwg-public<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 27, 2023 6:04 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a>; Dimitris
                Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"><dzacharo@harica.gr></a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Cscwg-public] Proposal
                to make changes to revocation based on malware<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
              </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Cscwg-public
              <<a href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>>
              on behalf of Martijn Katerbarg via Cscwg-public <<a
                href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 22:45<br>
              <b>To: </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <<a
                href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr" moz-do-not-send="true"
                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>>,
              <a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a>
              <<a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a>><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Cscwg-public] Proposal to make
              changes to revocation based on malware<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
              Roman",serif">> T</span><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
              Roman",serif">here is nothing preventing the CA to
              revoke a certificate right away. Revoking a certificate
              <b>at current time</b> has absolutely no impact on
              existing signed malware. The impact assessment affects
              cases of backdating the revocation. I'm afraid this
              "SHOULD" is just going to be ignored, unless you feel that
              the CA has enough evidence to backdate revoke a
              certificate and does not want to wait for an impact
              assessment of affected Relying Parties by the Subscriber.
              If it's the latter, I agree but we need to write it a bit
              clearer.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
              Roman",serif"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">That
              latter case is indeed the one I’d like to address. I’ll
              take a look at appropriate language for it.</span><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
              Roman",serif"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              Roman",serif">>
            </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
              New Roman",serif">Yes. 7 days seem reasonable to
              pause the revocation process waiting for a response from
              the Application Software Supplier but IMO no more than
              that.<br>
              <br>
            </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">No
              objection from my end with that approach, but I would then
              like to combine bullet 2 and 3 into one since they are
              strongly connected. It takes away any doubt in
              interpretation.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’ll
              get on adding these changes in GH</span><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"> Dimitris Zacharopoulos
                  (HARICA) <<a href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dzacharo@harica.gr</a>>
                  <br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 24 January 2023 16:25<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Martijn Katerbarg <<a
                    href="mailto:martijn.katerbarg@sectigo.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">martijn.katerbarg@sectigo.com</a>>;
                  <a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] Proposal to make
                  changes to revocation based on malware</span><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                content is safe.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
              Roman",serif"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On
                  24/1/2023 11:47 π.μ., Martijn Katerbarg wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks
                  for the proposal Dimitris.</span><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
                  have a few remarks on this:</span><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“<i>The
                    CA SHALL request the Subscriber to respond with an
                    impact assessment of affected Relying Parties if the
                    revocation date is set before the time that the
                    Private Key became compromised or likely used to
                    sign Suspect Code, and to state the associated
                    Application Software Supplier(s).”</i><br>
                  I’d like to propose  we change this into:<br>
                  “<i>The CA SHALL request the Subscriber to respond
                    with an acknowledgement and SHOULD request the
                    Subscriber to respond with an impact assessment of
                    affected Relying Parties if the revocation date is
                    set before the time that the Private Key became
                    compromised or likely used to sign Suspect Code, and
                    to state the associated Application Software
                    Supplier(s).</i>”</span><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This
                  offers CA’s the option not to request an impact
                  assessment if they deem the evidence clear enough
                  warranting revocation right away.
                </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </blockquote>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif"><br>
                There is nothing preventing the CA to revoke a
                certificate right away. Revoking a certificate
                <b>at current time</b> has absolutely no impact on
                existing signed malware. The impact assessment affects
                cases of backdating the revocation. I'm afraid this
                "SHOULD" is just going to be ignored, unless you feel
                that the CA has enough evidence to backdate revoke a
                certificate and does not want to wait for an impact
                assessment of affected Relying Parties by the
                Subscriber. If it's the latter, I agree but we need to
                write it a bit clearer.<br>
                <br>
                <br>
              </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’m
                  also wondering on the interpretation of the following
                  2 clauses:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“<i>2.
                    Based on the feedback received, the CA MAY determine
                    a more appropriate revocation date to be associated
                    with the revocation of the Certificate.</i></span><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">3.
                    The CA SHALL revoke the Certificate within 7 days
                    after the CA received the Certificate Problem
                    Report.</span></i><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">”</span><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
                  like to think this means that even with a plan
                  submitted to the Application Software Suppliers,
                  revocation MUST occur no later than 7 days after the
                  CPR was received. Is that what you also intend here?</span><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </blockquote>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif"><br>
                Yes. 7 days seem reasonable to pause the revocation
                process waiting for a response from the Application
                Software Supplier but IMO no more than that.<br>
                <br>
                <br>
              </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
                  In my option that should be the maximum time before
                  revocation needs to happen, however, it feels like the
                  whole impact assessment may be a lot of work for a
                  Subscriber, in order to only get 48 hours of extra
                  time before a revocation needs to happen (Although to
                  be fair these may be the very few edge cases, for
                  which it could be useful). <br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thoughts?</span><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </blockquote>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif"><br>
                We may need some more feedback from CAs that have
                actually experienced such cases. From my perspective, 48
                hours for an quick impact assessment, seems reasonable
                considering the impact of a malware to millions of users
                worldwide that could be stopped by a single backdate
                revocation action from the CA.<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                Thanks,<br>
                Dimitris.<br>
                <br>
                <br>
              </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt"> Cscwg-public
                      <a href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org></a>
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos
                      (HARICA) via Cscwg-public<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 15 December 2022 14:27<br>
                      <b>To:</b> <a
                        href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] Proposal to
                      make changes to revocation based on malware</span><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  style="line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03"><span
                    style="color:black">CAUTION: This email originated
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                  Roman \,serif""> </span><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On
                    12/15/2022 11:59 AM, Martijn Katerbarg via
                    Cscwg-public wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              </div>
              <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">All,</span><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We
                    had a good discussion on the malware proposal during
                    the last call. I believe we’re nearly there. Trevoli
                    and Tim you had suggestions (and thank you Dean for
                    spelling it out in the minutes!) to make is more
                    clear and also allow for the exceptional cases where
                    revoking a CS cert would do more damage then not.
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Based on this, it seems we were leaning into making
                    the following changes:</span><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
                    Change:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">  
                    a.  If the Subscriber responds within 72 hours, the
                    CA and Subscriber MAY determine a "reasonable date"
                    to revoke the certificate. The revocation date MUST
                    NOT be more than 7 calendar days after the CA
                    received the Certificate Problem Report.<br>
                    Into:<br>
                       a.  If the Subscriber responds within 72 hours,
                    the CA MAY determine a "reasonable date" to revoke
                    the certificate. The CA:</span><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoListParagraph"
                  style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3
                  level1 lfo1">
                  <!--[if !supportLists]--><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><span
                      style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt
                        "Times New Roman"">     
                      </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">MUST
                    revoke the certificate no later than 7 calendar days
                    after the CA received the Certificate Problem
                    Report; or,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoListParagraph"
                  style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3
                  level1 lfo1">
                  <!--[if !supportLists]--><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><span
                      style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt
                        "Times New Roman"">     
                      </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">MUST
                    submit a plan for revocation to all Application
                    Software Suppliers based on discussions with the
                    Subscriber no later than 7 calendar days after the
                    CA received the Certificate Problem Report</span><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
                    Thoughts on this?<br>
                    The one thought I have on this is, are Application
                    Software Suppliers (i.e Certificate Consumers, but
                    that’s not a CSCBR defined term) willing to take on
                    these plans and provide responses to the CA?
                    <br>
                    Cause if they don’t, it seems we again have a loop
                    hole in which revocation can be done much later
                    based upon subscriber request…</span><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              </blockquote>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                  Roman \,serif""><br>
                  I have the same concerns with the second bullet. And
                  how do we determine "all" Suppliers? CAs have no
                  visibility on Relying Party software.<br>
                  <br>
                  I believe that the reason to "contact
                  negatively-affected Application Software Suppliers" is
                  to determine the proper "reasonable date" that would
                  invalidate the malware signatures and not affect other
                  "good signatures" that would have a significant impact
                  on Relying Parties. If there is no response from the
                  Application Software Supplier, the CA should revoke
                  with a "reasonable date" based on its investigation at
                  the time.<br>
                  <br>
                  Please take a look at the following proposal. I'd
                  appreciate feedback and language improvements to
                  describe the process accurately and safely in order to
                  protect Relying Parties from executing Suspect Code as
                  much as possible. Worse case, CAs will revoke the
                  Certificate with a revocation date set at the time of
                  the revocation event which does not affect any
                  previously signed code, including the Suspect Code
                  which will be executed successfully by Relying Parties
                  even after the revocation of the Certificate.</span><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <h4><i>4.9.1.3 Revocation Based on Reported or Detected
                  Compromise or Use in Suspect Code</i><o:p></o:p></h4>
              <p><i>Except for cases that fall under Section 4.9.1.1,
                  if, while investigating a Certificate Problem Report,
                  the CA determines the Subscriber's Private Key is
                  compromised or likely being used for Suspect Code, the
                  CA SHALL revoke the corresponding Code Signing
                  Certificate in accordance with and within the
                  following maximum time frames. Nothing herein
                  prohibits a CA from revoking a Code Signing
                  Certificate prior to these time frames.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
              <ol type="1" start="1">
                <li class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
                  level1 lfo2">
                  <i><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                      New Roman \,serif"">The CA SHALL contact the
                      Subscriber within 24 hours after the CA received
                      the Certificate Problem Report, notifying that the
                      Certificate is scheduled to be revoked with a
                      revocation date set before the time that the
                      Private Key became compromised or likely used to
                      sign Suspect Code. This revocation date is set in
                      the past to prevent Relying Parties from executing
                      Suspect Code signed with the affected Code Signing
                      Certificate.</span></i><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
                <li class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
                  level1 lfo2">
                  <i><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                      New Roman \,serif"">The CA SHALL request the
                      Subscriber to respond with an impact assessment of
                      affected Relying Parties if the revocation date is
                      set before the time that the Private Key became
                      compromised or likely used to sign Suspect Code,
                      and to state the associated Application Software
                      Supplier(s).</span></i><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
                <li class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
                  level1 lfo2">
                  <i><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                      New Roman \,serif"">The CA SHALL request the
                      Subscriber to respond to the CA within 72 hours of
                      the CA sending the notification.
                    </span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
                <li class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
                  level1 lfo2">
                  <i><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                      New Roman \,serif"">If the Subscriber
                      responds within 72 hours,
                    </span></i><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt">then
                      based on the Subscriber's impact assessment:</span></i><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
              </ol>
              <ol type="1" start="4">
                <ol type="1" start="1">
                  <li class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
                    level2 lfo2">
                    <i><span style="font-size:12.0pt">the CA MAY submit
                        a revocation plan to associated Application
                        Software Suppliers no later than 7 calendar days
                        after the CA received the Certificate Problem
                        Report. The revocation plan:</span></i><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
                </ol>
              </ol>
              <ol type="1" start="4">
                <ol type="1" start="1">
                  <ol type="1" start="1">
                    <li class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
                      level3 lfo2">
                      <i><span style="font-size:12.0pt">SHALL contain
                          informing about the planned revocation date to
                          be set for the to-be-revoked Certificate; and</span></i><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
                    <li class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
                      level3 lfo2">
                      <i><span style="font-size:12.0pt">SHALL request
                          suggestions for a "more appropriate"
                          revocation date in case the proposed
                          revocation date has a significant impact on
                          Relying Parties associated with that
                          particular Application Software Supplier.
                        </span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
                    <li class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
                      level3 lfo2">
                      <i><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The CA SHALL
                          request the Application Software Supplier to
                          respond within 72 hours.</span></i><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
                  </ol>
                </ol>
              </ol>
              <ol type="1" start="4">
                <ol type="1" start="2">
                  <li class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
                    level2 lfo2">
                    <i><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Based on the
                        feedback received, the CA MAY determine a more
                        appropriate revocation date to be associated
                        with the revocation of the Certificate.</span></i><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
                  <li class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
                    level2 lfo2">
                    <i><span
                        style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                        New Roman \,serif"">The CA SHALL revoke the
                        Certificate within 7 days after the CA received
                        the Certificate Problem Report.</span></i><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
                </ol>
              </ol>
              <ol type="1" start="5">
                <li class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
                  level1 lfo2">
                  <i><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                      New Roman \,serif"">If the CA does not
                      receive a response from the Subscriber, then the
                      CA SHALL revoke the Certificate within 24 hours
                      from the end of the response period.</span></i><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
              </ol>
              <p><i>A CA revoking a Certificate because the Certificate
                  was associated with signed Suspect Code or other
                  fraudulent or illegal conduct SHOULD provide all
                  relevant information and risk indicators to other CAs,
                  Application Software Suppliers, or industry groups.
                  The CA SHOULD contact the Application Software
                  Suppliers within 24 hours after the CA received the
                  Certificate Problem Report.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                  Roman \,serif""><br>
                  Thanks,<br>
                  Dimitris.<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Note:
                    I won’t be able to attend todays call, but feel free
                    to discuss.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <div>
                  <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
                    1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                          style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt"> Cscwg-public
                        <a
                          href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org></a>
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos
                        (HARICA) via Cscwg-public<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 29 November 2022 10:13<br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a
                          href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] Proposal to
                        make changes to revocation based on malware</span><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <div style="border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt
                  2.0pt 2.0pt">
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03"><span
                      style="color:black">CAUTION: This email originated
                      from outside of the organization. Do not click
                      links or open attachments unless you recognize the
                      sender and know the content is safe.</span><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                </div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman \,serif""> </span><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On
                        28/11/2022 2:50 μ.μ., Martijn Katerbarg via
                        Cscwg-public wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote
                    style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">All,
                      </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
                        just pushed a new commit (<a
href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fcode-signing%2Fpull%2F10%2Fcommits%2F8e7e3b4e57960994edea267f0e753358aad99574&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Cb0ad76f0d0d84163312b08dafe543e45%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638101935049093423%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4VTnkUUEk8p7Cykjw8c1Ga3wAOAuNu7ohnm4sX88Rik%3D&reserved=0"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/cabforum/code-signing/pull/10/commits/8e7e3b4e57960994edea267f0e753358aad99574</a>)
                        based on the discussions and comments I’ve had
                        and received. </span><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
                        complete ballot “redline” in GitHub is available
                        for review on
                      </span><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fcode-signing%2Fpull%2F10%2Ffiles&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Cb0ad76f0d0d84163312b08dafe543e45%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638101935049093423%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ps7Oy4e3YBZnHgi5BlCIRceY0N71PJuPm47v8QecEMM%3D&reserved=0"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/cabforum/code-signing/pull/10/files</a></span><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </blockquote>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                      New Roman \,serif""><br>
                      If the CA confirms that a Subscriber has signed
                      "Suspect Code", how would the group feel with a
                      proposal to require CAs to
                      <b>backdate revoke</b> the Code Signing
                      Certificate to a date and time that would
                      neutralize the Suspect Code? If this date and time
                      is unlikely to be determined, backdate revoke 1''
                      after the notBefore date and time of the Code
                      Signing Certificate?<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      Thanks,<br>
                      Dimitris.<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                    </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <blockquote
                    style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <div>
                      <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
                        1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span
                            style="font-size:11.0pt"> Cscwg-public
                            <a
                              href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"><cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org></a>
                            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martijn Katerbarg via
                            Cscwg-public<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> Monday, 26 September 2022 11:58<br>
                            <b>To:</b> Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <a
                              href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"><dzacharo@harica.gr></a>;
                            <a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] Proposal
                            to make changes to revocation based on
                            malware</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <div style="border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt
                      2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt">
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03"><span
                          style="color:black">CAUTION: This email
                          originated from outside of the organization.
                          Do not click links or open attachments unless
                          you recognize the sender and know the content
                          is safe.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                        New Roman \,serif""> </span><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thank
                          you Dimitris. That makes sense. I’ve pushed an
                          update to the draft-PR</span><span
                          style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                          style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <div>
                        <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
                          1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"> Cscwg-public
                              <<a
                                href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>>
                              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dimitris
                              Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Cscwg-public<br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> Friday, 23 September 2022
                              18:47<br>
                              <b>To:</b> <a
                                href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public]
                              Proposal to make changes to revocation
                              based on malware</span><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <div style="border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt
                        2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt">
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03"><span
                            style="color:black">CAUTION: This email
                            originated from outside of the organization.
                            Do not click links or open attachments
                            unless you recognize the sender and know the
                            content is safe.</span><span
                            style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                          New Roman \,serif""> </span><span
                          style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:11.0pt">I posted some
                            proposed changes for consistency and
                            accuracy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <ol type="1" start="1">
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4
                            level1 lfo3">
                            <span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a
href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fcode-signing%2Fpull%2F10%23pullrequestreview-1118760785&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Cb0ad76f0d0d84163312b08dafe543e45%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638101935049093423%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2mK8YkkM4ZtzE3XAuW4S6iAjpMorn%2FpysXEhmB3WR4s%3D&reserved=0"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/cabforum/code-signing/pull/10#pullrequestreview-1118760785</a><o:p></o:p></span></li>
                        </ol>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                            style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
                            Thanks,<br>
                            Dimitris.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt">On 23/9/2022 3:55
                              μ.μ., Bruce Morton via Cscwg-public wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote
                          style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Martjin,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt">I will endorse
                              the ballot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks, Bruce.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <div>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt"> Cscwg-public
                                  <a
                                    href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org></a>
                                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martijn Katerbarg
                                  via Cscwg-public<br>
                                  <b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 23,
                                  2022 3:44 AM<br>
                                  <b>To:</b> <a
                                    href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                                  <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re:
                                  [Cscwg-public] Proposal to make
                                  changes to revocation based on malware<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt">WARNING: This
                              email originated outside of Entrust.<br>
                              DO NOT CLICK links or attachments unless
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                              is safe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">All,</span><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As
                              discussed on yesterdays call, the latest
                              changes which Tim and I were discussing
                              are pushed into Github.
                            </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
                              complete change can be found at
                              <a
href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fcode-signing%2Fpull%2F10%2Ffiles&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Cb0ad76f0d0d84163312b08dafe543e45%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638101935049249631%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=N6vnfTt1i%2B06M%2BDgN35FV45DEdGMSTgdTvm26dLZTPM%3D&reserved=0"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">
https://github.com/cabforum/code-signing/pull/10/files</a> for review.</span><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Bruce,
                              Ian, since I earlier had your
                              endorsements, please let me know if they
                              still stand. The changes since the
                              endorsements, are captured in
                              <a
href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fcode-signing%2Fpull%2F10%2Fcommits%2F90fa38ab4dc5e5f9b25fce844b750d693f7256b7&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Cb0ad76f0d0d84163312b08dafe543e45%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638101935049249631%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=aDQ3AJP4g4mv2wmkPaEKDe%2BAcgM45AXNOFBDrSPuHo4%3D&reserved=0"
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https://github.com/cabforum/code-signing/pull/10/commits/90fa38ab4dc5e5f9b25fce844b750d693f7256b7</a></span><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If
                              there are no other comments, then
                              hopefully we can start a ballot process on
                              this.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
                              Regards,</span><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Martijn</span><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt"> Cscwg-public
                                  <<a
                                    href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>>
                                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martijn Katerbarg
                                  via Cscwg-public<br>
                                  <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 19 July 2022
                                  09:22<br>
                                  <b>To:</b> Tim Hollebeek <<a
                                    href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>;
                                  <a
                                    href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public]
                                  Proposal to make changes to revocation
                                  based on malware<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                originated from outside of the
                                organization. Do not click links or open
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                                style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks Tim,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1"
                              start="1">
                              <li class="MsoListParagraph"
                                style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2
                                level1 lfo4"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt">What is the
                                  motivation for allowing a waiver if
                                  approved by just “at least one” of the
                                  stakeholders, instead of all of them?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                              <li class="MsoListParagraph"
                                style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2
                                level1 lfo4"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt">I’m a bit
                                  concerned that language might be
                                  increasingly troublesome as we
                                  continue to expand the scope and
                                  participation of this group.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                            </ol>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt">I believe it
                                might be difficult to get approval from
                                all stakeholders within a certain amount
                                of time, meaning the CA would possibly
                                never get all approvals, and never be
                                able to utilize the waiver. 
                                <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt">Considering
                                that signed code is often (but not
                                exclusively) targeted for a specific
                                platform, stakeholders of other
                                platforms might not be inclined to give
                                approval for something that does not
                                even affect them.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt">I do share your
                                concern, but I also don’t see a better
                                path towards the same goal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1"
                              start="3">
                              <li class="MsoListParagraph"
                                style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2
                                level1 lfo4"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt">Similarly,
                                  I’m unsure how I feel about making
                                  compliance distinctions based on
                                  whether a particular root program has
                                  decided to have a contractual
                                  relationship with its issuers or not. 
                                  That seems like an implementation
                                  detail of the relationship that the
                                  guidelines should remain silent on. 
                                  But I appreciate what that definition
                                  is intended to do, and would like to
                                  perhaps find a different way to
                                  express the same intent.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                            </ol>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Good
                                point, and maybe the word “contract” is
                                too much here?</span><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Although
                                I would note this language is already
                                part of the “Certificate Beneficiaries”
                                definition right now.</span><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’m
                                open for a different suggestion
                              </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                      style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt"> Tim
                                    Hollebeek <<a
                                      href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>
                                    <br>
                                    <b>Sent:</b> Friday, 15 July 2022
                                    18:18<br>
                                    <b>To:</b> Martijn Katerbarg <<a
href="mailto:martijn.katerbarg@sectigo.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">martijn.katerbarg@sectigo.com</a>>;
                                    <a
                                      href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                                    <b>Subject:</b> RE: [Cscwg-public]
                                    Proposal to make changes to
                                    revocation based on malware<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            </div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  email originated from outside of the
                                  organization. Do not click links or
                                  open attachments unless you recognize
                                  the sender and know the content is
                                  safe.</span><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt">What is the
                                  motivation for allowing a waiver if
                                  approved by just “at least one” of the
                                  stakeholders, instead of all of them?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt">I’m a bit
                                  concerned that language might be
                                  increasingly troublesome as we
                                  continue to expand the scope and
                                  participation of this group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt">Similarly,
                                  I’m unsure how I feel about making
                                  compliance distinctions based on
                                  whether a particular root program has
                                  decided to have a contractual
                                  relationship with its issuers or not. 
                                  That seems like an implementation
                                  detail of the relationship that the
                                  guidelines should remain silent on. 
                                  But I appreciate what that definition
                                  is intended to do, and would like to
                                  perhaps find a different way to
                                  express the same intent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt">-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                          style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span
                                        style="font-size:11.0pt">
                                        Cscwg-public <<a
                                          href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>>
                                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martijn
                                        Katerbarg via Cscwg-public<br>
                                        <b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 27,
                                        2022 10:04 AM<br>
                                        <b>To:</b> <a
                                          href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                                        <b>Subject:</b> [Cscwg-public]
                                        Proposal to make changes to
                                        revocation based on malware<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt">All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt">As already
                                    hinted during the last meeting
                                    during the F2F, Ian and I, have been
                                    working on a proposal affecting the
                                    guidelines regarding malware based
                                    revocation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt">The intent
                                    of this change is to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                <ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1"
                                  start="1">
                                  <li class="MsoListParagraph"
                                    style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0
                                    level1 lfo5"><span
                                      style="font-size:11.0pt">Limit the
                                      number of days before a
                                      certificate needs to be revoked,
                                      especially when the subscriber is
                                      not responding to inquiries<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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                                    style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0
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                                      style="font-size:11.0pt">Remove
                                      the OCSP log analysis requirements<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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                                    style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0
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                                      style="font-size:11.0pt">Simplify
                                      the process that has to be
                                      followed<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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                                    style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt">I have
                                    attached 3 documents: one with the
                                    current language, one with the
                                    proposed language, as well as a
                                    redlined version.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt">The changes
                                    have been made based on upcoming
                                    version 3.0 of the CSCBRs. In case
                                    you wish to compare with version
                                    2.8, the relevant section is
                                    13.1.5.3. Besides to that section,
                                    there is also a change to the
                                    “Suspect Code” definition, as well
                                    as a new definition in the proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt">Once <a
href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fcode-signing%2Fpull%2F6&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Cb0ad76f0d0d84163312b08dafe543e45%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638101935049249631%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=1iFOtQNrpUfGxTg8MxDcRq4n8q4fzjYYLmtxcy4gTHk%3D&reserved=0"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">
                                      PR6</a> has been merged, I will
                                    also prepare the changes in GIT for
                                    those that prefer comparing there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:11.0pt">Looking
                                    forward to comments to this and move
                                    towards a potential ballot.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Regards,<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Martijn<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
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