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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/1/2023 11:47 π.μ., Martijn
      Katerbarg wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Thanks for the proposal Dimitris.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">I have a few remarks on this:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">“<i>The CA SHALL request the Subscriber to
              respond with an impact assessment of affected Relying
              Parties if the revocation date is set before the time that
              the Private Key became compromised or likely used to sign
              Suspect Code, and to state the associated Application
              Software Supplier(s).”</i><br>
            I’d like to propose  we change this into:<br>
            “<i>The CA SHALL request the Subscriber to respond with an
              acknowledgement and SHOULD request the Subscriber to
              respond with an impact assessment of affected Relying
              Parties if the revocation date is set before the time that
              the Private Key became compromised or likely used to sign
              Suspect Code, and to state the associated Application
              Software Supplier(s).</i>”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">This offers CA’s the option not to request an
            impact assessment if they deem the evidence clear enough
            warranting revocation right away. </span></p>
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    There is nothing preventing the CA to revoke a certificate right
    away. Revoking a certificate <b>at current time</b> has absolutely
    no impact on existing signed malware. The impact assessment affects
    cases of backdating the revocation. I'm afraid this "SHOULD" is just
    going to be ignored, unless you feel that the CA has enough evidence
    to backdate revoke a certificate and does not want to wait for an
    impact assessment of affected Relying Parties by the Subscriber. If
    it's the latter, I agree but we need to write it a bit clearer.<br>
    <br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">I’m also wondering on the interpretation of the
            following 2 clauses:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">“<i>2. Based on the feedback received, the CA
              MAY determine a more appropriate revocation date to be
              associated with the revocation of the Certificate.<o:p></o:p></i></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">3. The CA SHALL revoke the Certificate within
              7 days after the CA received the Certificate Problem
              Report.</span></i><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">I like to think this means that even with a
            plan submitted to the Application Software Suppliers,
            revocation MUST occur no later than 7 days after the CPR was
            received. Is that what you also intend here?</span></p>
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    Yes. 7 days seem reasonable to pause the revocation process waiting
    for a response from the Application Software Supplier but IMO no
    more than that.<br>
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            lang="EN-US"><br>
            In my option that should be the maximum time before
            revocation needs to happen, however, it feels like the whole
            impact assessment may be a lot of work for a Subscriber, in
            order to only get 48 hours of extra time before a revocation
            needs to happen (Although to be fair these may be the very
            few edge cases, for which it could be useful). <br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Thoughts?</span></p>
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    <br>
    We may need some more feedback from CAs that have actually
    experienced such cases. From my perspective, 48 hours for an quick
    impact assessment, seems reasonable considering the impact of a
    malware to millions of users worldwide that could be stopped by a
    single backdate revocation action from the CA.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Thanks,<br>
    Dimitris.<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="en-SE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                lang="EN-US"> Cscwg-public
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"><cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org></a> <b>On Behalf
                  Of </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via
                Cscwg-public<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 15 December 2022 14:27<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] Proposal to make
                changes to revocation based on malware<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            style="line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03"><span
              style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">CAUTION: This email
              originated from outside of the organization. Do not click
              links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender
              and know the content is safe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On 12/15/2022 11:59 AM, Martijn Katerbarg
            via Cscwg-public wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">We had a good discussion on the malware
              proposal during the last call. I believe we’re nearly
              there. Trevoli and Tim you had suggestions (and thank you
              Dean for spelling it out in the minutes!) to make is more
              clear and also allow for the exceptional cases where
              revoking a CS cert would do more damage then not. <br>
              <br>
              Based on this, it seems we were leaning into making the
              following changes:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><br>
              Change:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">   a.  If the Subscriber responds within 72
              hours, the CA and Subscriber MAY determine a "reasonable
              date" to revoke the certificate. The revocation date MUST
              NOT be more than 7 calendar days after the CA received the
              Certificate Problem Report.<br>
              Into:<br>
                 a.  If the Subscriber responds within 72 hours, the CA
              MAY determine a "reasonable date" to revoke the
              certificate. The CA:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1
            level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">       </span></span><!--[endif]--><span
              style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">MUST
              revoke the certificate no later than 7 calendar days after
              the CA received the Certificate Problem Report; or,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1
            level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">       </span></span><!--[endif]--><span
              style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">MUST
              submit a plan for revocation to all Application Software
              Suppliers based on discussions with the Subscriber no
              later than 7 calendar days after the CA received the
              Certificate Problem Report</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><br>
              Thoughts on this?<br>
              The one thought I have on this is, are Application
              Software Suppliers (i.e Certificate Consumers, but that’s
              not a CSCBR defined term) willing to take on these plans
              and provide responses to the CA? <br>
              Cause if they don’t, it seems we again have a loop hole in
              which revocation can be done much later based upon
              subscriber request…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman",serif"><br>
            I have the same concerns with the second bullet. And how do
            we determine "all" Suppliers? CAs have no visibility on
            Relying Party software.<br>
            <br>
            I believe that the reason to "contact negatively-affected
            Application Software Suppliers" is to determine the proper
            "reasonable date" that would invalidate the malware
            signatures and not affect other "good signatures" that would
            have a significant impact on Relying Parties. If there is no
            response from the Application Software Supplier, the CA
            should revoke with a "reasonable date" based on its
            investigation at the time.<br>
            <br>
            Please take a look at the following proposal. I'd appreciate
            feedback and language improvements to describe the process
            accurately and safely in order to protect Relying Parties
            from executing Suspect Code as much as possible. Worse case,
            CAs will revoke the Certificate with a revocation date set
            at the time of the revocation event which does not affect
            any previously signed code, including the Suspect Code which
            will be executed successfully by Relying Parties even after
            the revocation of the Certificate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <h4><i>4.9.1.3 Revocation Based on Reported or Detected
            Compromise or Use in Suspect Code</i><o:p></o:p></h4>
        <p><i>Except for cases that fall under Section 4.9.1.1, if,
            while investigating a Certificate Problem Report, the CA
            determines the Subscriber's Private Key is compromised or
            likely being used for Suspect Code, the CA SHALL revoke the
            corresponding Code Signing Certificate in accordance with
            and within the following maximum time frames. Nothing herein
            prohibits a CA from revoking a Code Signing Certificate
            prior to these time frames.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <li class="MsoNormal"
            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
            level1 lfo6"><i><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif">The CA SHALL contact the Subscriber
                within 24 hours after the CA received the Certificate
                Problem Report, notifying that the Certificate is
                scheduled to be revoked with a revocation date set
                before the time that the Private Key became compromised
                or likely used to sign Suspect Code. This revocation
                date is set in the past to prevent Relying Parties from
                executing Suspect Code signed with the affected Code
                Signing Certificate.</span></i><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
              Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal"
            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
            level1 lfo6"><i><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif">The CA SHALL request the Subscriber
                to respond with an impact assessment of affected Relying
                Parties if the revocation date is set before the time
                that the Private Key became compromised or likely used
                to sign Suspect Code, and to state the associated
                Application Software Supplier(s).</span></i><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
              Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal"
            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
            level1 lfo6"><i><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif">The CA SHALL request the Subscriber
                to respond to the CA within 72 hours of the CA sending
                the notification. </span></i><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
              Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
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            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
            level1 lfo6"><i><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif">If the Subscriber responds within 72
                hours, </span></i><i><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                lang="EN-US">then based on the Subscriber's impact
                assessment:</span></i><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
              Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <ol type="1" start="1">
            <li class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
              level2 lfo6"><i><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                  Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                  lang="EN-US">the CA MAY submit a revocation plan to
                  associated Application Software Suppliers no later
                  than 7 calendar days after the CA received the
                  Certificate Problem Report. The revocation plan:</span></i><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
            <ol type="1" start="1">
              <li class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
                level3 lfo6"><i><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                    lang="EN-US">SHALL contain informing about the
                    planned revocation date to be set for the
                    to-be-revoked Certificate; and</span></i><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                  Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
                level3 lfo6"><i><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                    lang="EN-US">SHALL request suggestions for a "more
                    appropriate" revocation date in case the proposed
                    revocation date has a significant impact on Relying
                    Parties associated with that particular Application
                    Software Supplier. </span></i><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                  Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal"
                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
                level3 lfo6"><i><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                    lang="EN-US">The CA SHALL request the Application
                    Software Supplier to respond within 72 hours.</span></i><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                  Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
            </ol>
            <li class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
              level2 lfo6"><i><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                  Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                  lang="EN-US">Based on the feedback received, the CA
                  MAY determine a more appropriate revocation date to be
                  associated with the revocation of the Certificate.</span></i><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
            <li class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
              level2 lfo6"><i><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                  Roman",serif">The CA SHALL revoke the Certificate
                  within 7 days after the CA received the Certificate
                  Problem Report.</span></i><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
          </ol>
          <li class="MsoNormal"
            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
            level1 lfo6"><i><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif">If the CA does not receive a response
                from the Subscriber, then the CA SHALL revoke the
                Certificate within 24 hours from the end of the response
                period.</span></i><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
              Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
        </ol>
        <p><i>A CA revoking a Certificate because the Certificate was
            associated with signed Suspect Code or other fraudulent or
            illegal conduct SHOULD provide all relevant information and
            risk indicators to other CAs, Application Software
            Suppliers, or industry groups. The CA SHOULD contact the
            Application Software Suppliers within 24 hours after the CA
            received the Certificate Problem Report.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman",serif"><br>
            Thanks,<br>
            Dimitris.<br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">Note: I won’t be able to attend todays call,
              but feel free to discuss.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                  lang="EN-US"> Cscwg-public <a
                    href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org></a>
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)
                  via Cscwg-public<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 29 November 2022 10:13<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] Proposal to make
                  changes to revocation based on malware</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <div style="border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt
            2.0pt">
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              style="line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">CAUTION: This email
                originated from outside of the organization. Do not
                click links or open attachments unless you recognize the
                sender and know the content is safe.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman
              \,serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">On 28/11/2022 2:50 μ.μ., Martijn
                Katerbarg via Cscwg-public wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">All, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">I just
                  pushed a new commit (<a
href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fcode-signing%2Fpull%2F10%2Fcommits%2F8e7e3b4e57960994edea267f0e753358aad99574&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Cac3b5415ec5b408303cf08dadea00c1d%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638067076260946675%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fwiFBw8%2FI76EPcC4BH62G3gPH3NkISSWcU%2BK1EUJFy4%3D&reserved=0"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/cabforum/code-signing/pull/10/commits/8e7e3b4e57960994edea267f0e753358aad99574</a>)
                  based on the discussions and comments I’ve had and
                  received. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="en-SE">The
                  complete ballot “redline” in GitHub is available for
                  review on </span><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fcode-signing%2Fpull%2F10%2Ffiles&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Cac3b5415ec5b408303cf08dadea00c1d%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638067076260946675%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=YNKaeEXVYewUNLoZ3Xxeq6fCHIK8GMbVKqaErOPZXR0%3D&reserved=0"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/cabforum/code-signing/pull/10/files</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
            </blockquote>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman \,serif""><br>
                If the CA confirms that a Subscriber has signed "Suspect
                Code", how would the group feel with a proposal to
                require CAs to <b>backdate revoke</b> the Code Signing
                Certificate to a date and time that would neutralize the
                Suspect Code? If this date and time is unlikely to be
                determined, backdate revoke 1'' after the notBefore date
                and time of the Code Signing Certificate?<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                Thanks,<br>
                Dimitris.<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <br>
              </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                      lang="EN-US"> Cscwg-public <a
                        href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org></a>
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martijn Katerbarg via
                      Cscwg-public<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Monday, 26 September 2022 11:58<br>
                      <b>To:</b> Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <a
                        href="mailto:dzacharo@harica.gr"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><dzacharo@harica.gr></a>;
                      <a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] Proposal to
                      make changes to revocation based on malware</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <div style="border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt
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                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03"><span
                    style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black" lang="en-SE">CAUTION:
                    This email originated from outside of the
                    organization. Do not click links or open attachments
                    unless you recognize the sender and know the content
                    is safe.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                  Roman",serif" lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Thank
                    you Dimitris. That makes sense. I’ve pushed an
                    update to the draft-PR</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                        lang="EN-US"> Cscwg-public <<a
                          href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>>
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos
                        (HARICA) via Cscwg-public<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Friday, 23 September 2022 18:47<br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a
                          href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] Proposal to
                        make changes to revocation based on malware</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <div style="border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt
                  2.0pt 2.0pt">
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03"><span
                      style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black" lang="en-SE">CAUTION:
                      This email originated from outside of the
                      organization. Do not click links or open
                      attachments unless you recognize the sender and
                      know the content is safe.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif" lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">I posted some
                      proposed changes for consistency and accuracy.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <ol type="1" start="1">
                    <li class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                      level1 lfo3"><span lang="en-SE"><a
href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fcode-signing%2Fpull%2F10%23pullrequestreview-1118760785&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Cac3b5415ec5b408303cf08dadea00c1d%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638067076260946675%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Wa8%2B%2Bsc0OyZpA%2FTF6%2B9XdGRkedLQ0fSZj1lXlSxxTg8%3D&reserved=0"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/cabforum/code-signing/pull/10#pullrequestreview-1118760785</a></span><o:p></o:p></li>
                  </ol>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                      lang="en-SE"><br>
                      Thanks,<br>
                      Dimitris.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">On 23/9/2022
                        3:55 μ.μ., Bruce Morton via Cscwg-public wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote
                    style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">Hi Martjin,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">I will
                        endorse the ballot.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">Thanks,
                        Bruce.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="en-SE">From:</span></b><span
                            lang="en-SE"> Cscwg-public <a
                              href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"><cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org></a>
                            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martijn Katerbarg via
                            Cscwg-public<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 23, 2022 3:44
                            AM<br>
                            <b>To:</b> <a
                              href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re:
                            [Cscwg-public] Proposal to make changes to
                            revocation based on malware</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">WARNING:
                        This email originated outside of Entrust.<br>
                        DO NOT CLICK links or attachments unless you
                        trust the sender and know the content is safe.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"
                      align="center"><span lang="en-SE">
                        <hr width="100%" size="1" align="center"></span></div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="en-SE">All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="en-SE">As
                        discussed on yesterdays call, the latest changes
                        which Tim and I were discussing are pushed into
                        Github. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="en-SE">The
                        complete change can be found at <a
href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fcode-signing%2Fpull%2F10%2Ffiles&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Cac3b5415ec5b408303cf08dadea00c1d%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638067076260946675%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=YNKaeEXVYewUNLoZ3Xxeq6fCHIK8GMbVKqaErOPZXR0%3D&reserved=0"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/cabforum/code-signing/pull/10/files</a>
                        for review.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="en-SE">Bruce,
                        Ian, since I earlier had your endorsements,
                        please let me know if they still stand. The
                        changes since the endorsements, are captured in
                        <a
href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fcode-signing%2Fpull%2F10%2Fcommits%2F90fa38ab4dc5e5f9b25fce844b750d693f7256b7&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Cac3b5415ec5b408303cf08dadea00c1d%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638067076260946675%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ZxumKMoYS9YC52G8MXtYBhRMRf4sRrSfNR1nV63a55s%3D&reserved=0"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/cabforum/code-signing/pull/10/commits/90fa38ab4dc5e5f9b25fce844b750d693f7256b7</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="en-SE">If
                        there are no other comments, then hopefully we
                        can start a ballot process on this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                        style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="en-SE"><br>
                        Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="en-SE">Martijn</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="en-SE">From:</span></b><span
                            lang="en-SE"> Cscwg-public <<a
                              href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>>
                            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martijn Katerbarg via
                            Cscwg-public<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 19 July 2022 09:22<br>
                            <b>To:</b> Tim Hollebeek <<a
                              href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>;
                            <a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] Proposal
                            to make changes to revocation based on
                            malware</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"
                          lang="en-SE">CAUTION: This email originated
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">Thanks
                          Tim,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt"><span
                          lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <ol style="margin-top:0cm" type="1" start="1">
                        <li class="MsoListParagraph"
                          style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l5 level1
                          lfo4"><span lang="en-SE">What is the
                            motivation for allowing a waiver if approved
                            by just “at least one” of the stakeholders,
                            instead of all of them?</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                        <li class="MsoListParagraph"
                          style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l5 level1
                          lfo4"><span lang="en-SE">I’m a bit concerned
                            that language might be increasingly
                            troublesome as we continue to expand the
                            scope and participation of this group.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                      </ol>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">I believe
                          it might be difficult to get approval from all
                          stakeholders within a certain amount of time,
                          meaning the CA would possibly never get all
                          approvals, and never be able to utilize the
                          waiver.  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">Considering
                          that signed code is often (but not
                          exclusively) targeted for a specific platform,
                          stakeholders of other platforms might not be
                          inclined to give approval for something that
                          does not even affect them.  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">I do share
                          your concern, but I also don’t see a better
                          path towards the same goal.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <ol style="margin-top:0cm" type="1" start="3">
                        <li class="MsoListParagraph"
                          style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l5 level1
                          lfo4"><span lang="en-SE">Similarly, I’m unsure
                            how I feel about making compliance
                            distinctions based on whether a particular
                            root program has decided to have a
                            contractual relationship with its issuers or
                            not.  That seems like an implementation
                            detail of the relationship that the
                            guidelines should remain silent on.  But I
                            appreciate what that definition is intended
                            to do, and would like to perhaps find a
                            different way to express the same intent.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                      </ol>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                          lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                          lang="en-SE">Good point, and maybe the word
                          “contract” is too much here?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                          lang="en-SE">Although I would note this
                          language is already part of the “Certificate
                          Beneficiaries” definition right now.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                          lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                          lang="en-SE">I’m open for a different
                          suggestion </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                          lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="en-SE">From:</span></b><span
                              lang="en-SE"> Tim Hollebeek <<a
                                href="mailto:tim.hollebeek@digicert.com"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim.hollebeek@digicert.com</a>>
                              <br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> Friday, 15 July 2022 18:18<br>
                              <b>To:</b> Martijn Katerbarg <<a
                                href="mailto:martijn.katerbarg@sectigo.com"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">martijn.katerbarg@sectigo.com</a>>;
                              <a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> RE: [Cscwg-public]
                              Proposal to make changes to revocation
                              based on malware</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
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                            style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"
                            lang="en-SE">CAUTION: This email originated
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                            click links or open attachments unless you
                            recognize the sender and know the content is
                            safe.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">What is
                            the motivation for allowing a waiver if
                            approved by just “at least one” of the
                            stakeholders, instead of all of them?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">I’m a
                            bit concerned that language might be
                            increasingly troublesome as we continue to
                            expand the scope and participation of this
                            group.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">Similarly,
                            I’m unsure how I feel about making
                            compliance distinctions based on whether a
                            particular root program has decided to have
                            a contractual relationship with its issuers
                            or not.  That seems like an implementation
                            detail of the relationship that the
                            guidelines should remain silent on.  But I
                            appreciate what that definition is intended
                            to do, and would like to perhaps find a
                            different way to express the same intent.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">-Tim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="en-SE">From:</span></b><span
                                  lang="en-SE"> Cscwg-public <<a
                                    href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>>
                                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martijn Katerbarg
                                  via Cscwg-public<br>
                                  <b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 27, 2022
                                  10:04 AM<br>
                                  <b>To:</b> <a
                                    href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br>
                                  <b>Subject:</b> [Cscwg-public]
                                  Proposal to make changes to revocation
                                  based on malware</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">As
                              already hinted during the last meeting
                              during the F2F, Ian and I, have been
                              working on a proposal affecting the
                              guidelines regarding malware based
                              revocation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">The
                              intent of this change is to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <ol style="margin-top:0cm" type="1" start="1">
                            <li class="MsoListParagraph"
                              style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1
                              lfo5"><span lang="en-SE">Limit the number
                                of days before a certificate needs to be
                                revoked, especially when the subscriber
                                is not responding to inquiries</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                            <li class="MsoListParagraph"
                              style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1
                              lfo5"><span lang="en-SE">Remove the OCSP
                                log analysis requirements</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                            <li class="MsoListParagraph"
                              style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1
                              lfo5"><span lang="en-SE">Simplify the
                                process that has to be followed</span><o:p></o:p></li>
                          </ol>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">I have
                              attached 3 documents: one with the current
                              language, one with the proposed language,
                              as well as a redlined version.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">The
                              changes have been made based on upcoming
                              version 3.0 of the CSCBRs. In case you
                              wish to compare with version 2.8, the
                              relevant section is 13.1.5.3. Besides to
                              that section, there is also a change to
                              the “Suspect Code” definition, as well as
                              a new definition in the proposal.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">Once <a
href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fcode-signing%2Fpull%2F6&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Cac3b5415ec5b408303cf08dadea00c1d%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C638067076260946675%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=KWTNQAJF4EtXCjtfgtFDvLKfUcDMPQsc%2B%2FgzZSLrM90%3D&reserved=0"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">PR6</a> has been
                              merged, I will also prepare the changes in
                              GIT for those that prefer comparing there.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE">Looking
                              forward to comments to this and move
                              towards a potential ballot.<br>
                              <br>
                              Regards,<br>
                              <br>
                              Martijn</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
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