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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=en-SE link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Thanks Tim,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><span lang=EN-US>What is the motivation for allowing a waiver if approved by just “at least one” of the stakeholders, instead of all of them?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><span lang=EN-US>I’m a bit concerned that language might be increasingly troublesome as we continue to expand the scope and participation of this group.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I believe it might be difficult to get approval from all stakeholders within a certain amount of time, meaning the CA would possibly never get all approvals, and never be able to utilize the waiver. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Considering that signed code is often (but not exclusively) targeted for a specific platform, stakeholders of other platforms might not be inclined to give approval for something that does not even affect them. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I do share your concern, but I also don’t see a better path towards the same goal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><span lang=EN-US>Similarly, I’m unsure how I feel about making compliance distinctions based on whether a particular root program has decided to have a contractual relationship with its issuers or not. That seems like an implementation detail of the relationship that the guidelines should remain silent on. But I appreciate what that definition is intended to do, and would like to perhaps find a different way to express the same intent.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Good point, and maybe the word “contract” is too much here?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Although I would note this language is already part of the “Certificate Beneficiaries” definition right now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I’m open for a different suggestion <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=en-SE style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 15 July 2022 18:18<br><b>To:</b> Martijn Katerbarg <martijn.katerbarg@sectigo.com>; cscwg-public@cabforum.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Cscwg-public] Proposal to make changes to revocation based on malware<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>What is the motivation for allowing a waiver if approved by just “at least one” of the stakeholders, instead of all of them?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I’m a bit concerned that language might be increasingly troublesome as we continue to expand the scope and participation of this group.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Similarly, I’m unsure how I feel about making compliance distinctions based on whether a particular root program has decided to have a contractual relationship with its issuers or not. That seems like an implementation detail of the relationship that the guidelines should remain silent on. But I appreciate what that definition is intended to do, and would like to perhaps find a different way to express the same intent.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>-Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Cscwg-public <<a href="mailto:cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org">cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martijn Katerbarg via Cscwg-public<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 27, 2022 10:04 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cscwg-public@cabforum.org">cscwg-public@cabforum.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Cscwg-public] Proposal to make changes to revocation based on malware<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>As already hinted during the last meeting during the F2F, Ian and I, have been working on a proposal affecting the guidelines regarding malware based revocation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>The intent of this change is to:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><span lang=EN-US>Limit the number of days before a certificate needs to be revoked, especially when the subscriber is not responding to inquiries<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><span lang=EN-US>Remove the OCSP log analysis requirements<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><span lang=EN-US>Simplify the process that has to be followed<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I have attached 3 documents: one with the current language, one with the proposed language, as well as a redlined version.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>The changes have been made based on upcoming version 3.0 of the CSCBRs. In case you wish to compare with version 2.8, the relevant section is 13.1.5.3. Besides to that section, there is also a change to the “Suspect Code” definition, as well as a new definition in the proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Once <a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fcabforum%2Fcode-signing%2Fpull%2F6&data=05%7C01%7Cmartijn.katerbarg%40sectigo.com%7Cc83c1606f0e44a632bcb08da667d9be4%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C637934987684962837%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3DQqf6haFLOmy1jLaLY0pvLLPLEBcMhjWF9fpWTy15w%3D&reserved=0">PR6</a> has been merged, I will also prepare the changes in GIT for those that prefer comparing there.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Looking forward to comments to this and move towards a potential ballot.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Martijn<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>