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<p>Apr 4, 2022 23:01:48 Dean Coclin <dean.coclin@digicert.com>:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" mso-ligatures: standardcontextual;margin: 0in; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif">Purpose of this ballot: Update the subscriber private key protection requirements in the Baseline Requirement for the Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted Code Signing Certificates v2.7. The following motion has been proposed by Ian McMillan of Microsoft and endorsed by Tim Hollebeek of DigiCert and Bruce Morton of Entrust.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" mso-ligatures: standardcontextual;margin: 0in; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri", sans-serif">This ballot updates the “Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of Publicly‐Trusted Code Signing Certificates“ version 2.7 according to the attached redline which includes:</p>
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