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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And if we want to go further, you can also check this one on architectures for (remote) signing services<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/119400_119499/119432/01.02.01_60/ts_119432v010201p.pdf"><span lang=EN-GB>TS 119 432 - V1.2.1 - Electronic Signatures and Infrastructures (ESI); Protocols for remote digital signature creation (etsi.org)</span></a><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>De:</b> Cscwg-public <cscwg-public-bounces@cabforum.org> <b>En nombre de </b>Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Cscwg-public<br><b>Enviado el:</b> viernes, 11 de marzo de 2022 13:40<br><b>Para:</b> Bruce Morton via Cscwg-public <cscwg-public@cabforum.org><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Cscwg-public] Signing Service Discussion of 10 March 2022<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt;background:#FAFA03'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Following-up on the discussion about signing services, and the decisions of previous meetings that a signing service is basically an entity that manages private keys on behalf of Subscribers, please take a look at the latest relevant ETSI TS available at:<o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsi.org%2Fdeliver%2Fetsi_ts%2F119400_119499%2F11943101%2F01.02.01_60%2Fts_11943101v010201p.pdf&data=04%7C01%7Cinigo.barreira%40sectigo.com%7Cc7dab448d84846549f0708da035c47bb%7C0e9c48946caa465d96604b6968b49fb7%7C0%7C0%7C637825992708558789%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=3pA8rb%2BoRowQygGJr13gbbM2fu7UbPCeiXGiLHn9Smg%3D&reserved=0">https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/119400_119499/11943101/01.02.01_60/ts_11943101v010201p.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul><p>The responsibility to manage keys on behalf of subscribers is not to be taken lightly as the current CSBRs do. Agreed that we can take some small improvements to the current CSBRs but if we believe that the goal is to define a secure environment with secure policies/practices that will make the ecosystem safer for subscribers and ultimately Relying Parties, then we probably need to invest more time if we want to copy good practices from other schemes.<o:p></o:p></p><p>On the other hand, this ETSI standard is already auditable and a legal entity could be audited and certified against ETSI TS 119 431. If a CA or a Subscriber wants to use a signing service, that signing service could either comply with the CSBRs and be audited against the requirements of section 17.1, or be audited against ETSI TS 119 431.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></p><p>Dimitris.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 10/3/2022 10:00 ì.ì., Bruce Morton via Cscwg-public wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Here is the text we were discussing in the CSCWG meeting today.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks, Bruce.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>=================================<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Proposed Signing Service items:<o:p></o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l5 level1 lfo4;vertical-align:middle'>Signing Service is may be performed by the CA or a third party<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l5 level1 lfo4;vertical-align:middle'>Signing Service is not a CA requirement, so is NOT a function of a Delegated Third Party – this will limit scope<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l5 level1 lfo4;vertical-align:middle'>Signing Service references may be removed when not required - this will limit implied scope<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l5 level1 lfo4;vertical-align:middle'>Signing Service is not a Subscriber, so all Private Keys are only associated to certificate Subscriber<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l5 level1 lfo4;vertical-align:middle'>Signing Service is not an RA, so will not receive certificate requests from an Applicant – CA or Delegated Third Party RA will receive certificate requests<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l5 level1 lfo4;vertical-align:middle'>Signing Request requirements will not be defined in the CSBRs<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Private key generation<o:p></o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo7;vertical-align:middle'>Signing Service must provide evidence to the CA that the private key was created by the Signing Service. <o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo7;vertical-align:middle'>Question - Ballot CSC-13 allows the Signing Service to use cloud-based key generation. Can the CA can operate the cloud-based service?<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Audit<o:p></o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l6 level1 lfo10;vertical-align:middle'>Specific compliance sections of CSBRs and NetSec should be stated in the CSBRs as the compliance/audit scope should not be determined by the CA, Signing Service and Auditor. Note, WebTrust for CA or ETSI EN 319 411-1 would not be in scope for Signing Service.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l6 level1 lfo10;vertical-align:middle'>For cloud-based key generation, is there a compliance requirement for the cloud-based service?<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Any email and files/attachments transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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